When watermarks become a problem between scanlators and readers, unless rightfully justified, it usually means the former's demise.

Take your pick on the reasons why this happens.

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I may be misunderstanding what you're trying to say, but if you're saying scanlators should quit scanlating if what they're doing hurts the mangaka, then I certainly agree with you.

PROzess you've been working so hard bringing so many great manga's to the anglophone worlds attention. No matter where I go, I see your involvement.

In many ways you should be a scanlation legend, hailed by everyone.

But you've created lots of unneeded collateral damage in your fight with Mangafox, and have started picking fights with leechers.
Maybe it's time to take a clean break from the whole scanlation biz for several months, and then come back to the issue with a fresh perspective.

Personally as a reader, watermarks don't matter to me as long as they don't block up huge portions of the page. If I can read it, then whatever. I don't care.

But as a scanlator, I don't put watermarks on because really, I don't see a reason to do so. I just don't care about what people really do about my releases. People will throw them up onto online readers. There's no stopping that at all.

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And if the series NEVER gets licensed and the reader NEVER learns nihonggo, sucks to be them right?

Unless you're fluent in nihonggo and you live in Japan and/or possess a comfortable economic position; the ball is ultimately NOT in the reader's hands.

Again, those are just excuses. If you really wanted it you would work for it. If you can't/don't, then you have no right to complain about what the scanlators give you FOR FREE.

No point in redeeming myself at this point.
Not like I want to anyway.
Like I said, Empathy is playing the good-guy on the outside, but he's even more screwed than me.
It's just that no one realizes it.

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If it seems that scanlators are "dictating" with watermarks then only because there is no other way for us to appeal.
We have been appealing to the public for a long time now. It all started with just warnings on the release post. Followed by short instruction on the credit page. Does any of that worked? No.
I started to include a "warning page" to every release with my translation. Does that work? No. Reader just skip that or the reader in question just removes that page. So much for that.
The only way left for us is to use the actual manga pages.
We're doing this for free. for fans.
But we can't tolerate it when some third-party is claiming our work as theirs or even profiting of it.
We all know how convenient mangafox is with all the manga in one place, but that's no excuse...

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It's not like we want to assert ownership on our chapters.
The problem is that mangafox did it in the past. Currently they have changed their watermark and leave the credit pages in, But that was different before. They removed creditpage and their watermark at the bottom said "If you're reading this elsewhere than mangafox you're wrong" or similiar.
Because of such actions, the majority of readers thinks that mangafox is doing the actual work of the manga. They go to mangafox and request faster release.
But us, the scanlators. are not getting any help. How do you think we are going to continue if more people retire than new people come!?
We don't want to slap it into the reader's face that these are OUR chapters. We just want to convey to them that WE spend hours of our free time for them and would appreciate a bit of thanks or help.
And then to top things of, Mangafox makes a profit from it. Come on, you see the point here...

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I don't want to be hailed.
I did many despicable things, I'm not denying it.
The only reason I'm still here is, because I have fun translating.
I don't actually care where reader read my chapter or if they thank me or not.
But if the reader they read on, is making a profit from that, it's a different topic.
I tried many approaches to plead to the readers to stop reading on mangafox.
What did I get in return? They were telling me to fuck off.
I'm don't want to appear stuck up high, but the majority of the readers forgot who they should be thankful to. They take it for granted now that the chapters appear (on mangafox).

People bounded together to go against Tazmo, but no one is going against mangafox?
Yeah, because mangafox is convenient and nobody wants to lose their easy way of accessing manga. Understandable.
But no one ever takes into consideration the side of the scanlators.
And don't come saying now that if we are real scanlators we wouldn't mind such small details, because after all we are doing it for the readers.
Yes, we are doing it for the readers, most of the time un-thanked. And we don't mind that.
We have our fun working on the stuff. But again, we can't tolerate a third-party making money off that.

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YEs, I love watermarks. I love them all over the page, covering drawings. And even the text. The more the better.
/sarcasm

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Huh. You're not referring to your readers as leechers like so many others in this thread and you don't have watermarks on the reader on your site. For that I'm thankful.
- From the masses who hoard Japanese manga after reading unlicensed scanlated stuff.

you only read my last part sigh. i guess ill just do some small bullet points for you

I havent had that much of a problem with WM at all so idk why its a problem in general and from what you say everyone dislikes WM since it pulls them out their zone which is not true since im also a reader.

Your making assumptions which annoys me, at least put some/most readers, I dont like being grouped with certain people when im not part of the group.

If I want an "immersive experience" ill just read it normally by buying which I do if I really like the series.

Most of the people are just complaining about WM from A-team and Japanzai IMO cause all of other groups do it very small or very un-noticeable. But both groups release UN-WM later so I dont see the major problem with those two.

What annoyed me the most is you say there are other ways to fight NOEZ but you dont give a single suggestion, at least give an idea even if its over the top but you dont which just makes you sound like hypocrite just saying.

All in all im probably flaming you since you talk like you know what's right when there isnt really a right or wrong thing in WMing, Did i say WMing is a good/bad thing, no. It's just as long as i get to read the manga that isn't sold in my area or isnt translated I'm happy why can't other people be just happy from that? Why do they need more than that, just why can't they be happy with what they got? ( I blame capitalism/consumerism =P (jking sort of))

The next news just prove my point Welcome to the future you made yourself while saying that the scanlators are idiots.

Opaque watermarks are annoying. Doko Demo Doa had those ridiculously huge watermarks as big as the page, covering faces and the text. Something like that makes no sense to a scanlation, it's like providing blank pages with few letters and strokes.
I'm fine with watermarks outside of the boxes.