I seriously think the main character in this series isn't RAI, but FRANKENSTEIN. What do you think about this?

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I think you narrow minded. "Main Character" isn't a title reserved for one character.
There can be more than one main character in a series. Noblesse began its first chapter by presenting its first main character, Raizel. Plus, the series does explain that RAI is what this series title's itself, NOBLESSE.

Now in this series, you can say that Frankenstein seems to get more of the spot-light than Raizel, but Noblesse briefs you on the fact that Frankenstein sees Raizel as his MASTER. Frankenstien can have all the fame for whatever reason but the true fact is that he calls the first character (to ever appear in this series) "Master" which already transfers all his epic-main-character contributions towards Rai.

Here is a simple concept that you can follow: Frankenstein is to Rai, as Sasuke is to Naruto.

Yeah may be you are right. Though I read it from the start and the story about Frankenstein far much more than Rai (if you compare it with sasuke and naruto).

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I second QueenVIP's reply.

Manhwa's Title = Noblesse => The one and only 'Noblesse' = Rai

The Strongest Character of Noblesse = The Noblesse => Rai

One of the most Respected Characters in Noblesse = The Noblesse => Rai

The most Good-natured Character of Noblesse = The Noblesse => Rai

The most mysterious character in Noblesse, someone even the enemies don't/hardly know about = The Noblesse => Rai

The only person whose mighty power Frankenstein truly acknowledges => Rai
(Frankenstein doesn't give a damn about anyone else at all. Rai can 'annihilate' anyone or make them do his bidding just by lifting his finger, while Frankenstein still needs to put up a good fight against really strong opponents.
I think Rai's mighty power was also one of the reasons that even someone as wicked, devilish and powerful as Frankenstein actually accepted him as his 'Master'.
He found Rai the epitome of good nature and power, and tipped his hat to him in admiration and respect.)

The only person Frankenstein truly respects => Rai

A Major reason for Frankenstein fighting against the Union => To carry out Rai's wish

The Character the Author & Artist of Noblesse use for publicity => Rai

Enough said. lol

Last edited by HitsujinoHon at 3:49 am, Feb 13 2013

You may be right, but you just cannot decide by those parameter.
I have a comparison, here is the title Hellsing = The one and only "Hellsing" = Sir Integra Hellsing, a Major reason for Alucard to fight = Integra, the one Alucard accept as his 'Master' = Integra, but the main character is Alucard (yeah, he is the strongest).
Here another one, the title Katekyou Hitman Reborn! = The one and only "Reborn" = Reborn, the strongest character = Reborn, the most respected character = Reborn, the most mysterious character = Reborn, the one Tsuna accept as his 'Master' (not as servant, but disciple) = Reborn, the person Tsuna truly respect = Reborn, but the main character is Tsuna.
Here the last, the title Beelzebub = The one and only "Beelzebub" = Kaiser de Emperana Beelzebub IV, the major reason Oga to fight = Beel, but the main character is Oga.
I don't really sure the main character of medaka box is medaka (I think it's either Zenkichi or Kumagawa).
And though the title is the breaker but the strongest, the most respected, the master, the cause of fight, the person whose power acknowledge by main character isn't the main character (Goomoonryong isn't the main character, it's Shioon).
What I want to say is the main character not always the title of the series or the strongest character or being the master. And I don't know what you think to add The most Good-natured Character and The most mysterious character to your consideration to decide main character. We have to carefully read the series from the start before jump to conclusion.

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Wait... Do you seriously think that this proves in any way, that Rai is the MC? In most shounen manga the antagonist is much stronger than the main character. You know... There's always a bigger fish. Especially if we are talking about a main character...

Most respected, recognized as master, etc...
Would that make Makarov the main character of Fairy Tail?? Please...

Most good-natured character... Why would this have ANYTHING to do with being the MC?

The most mysterious character in Noblesse, someone even the enemies don't/hardly know about.
Again, this is usually the definition of the antagonist. Not the main character.
Take G-Senjou no Maou for example... Oh yeah, the title... It doesn't mean that the Maou is the main character. Even though he is the first character that appears in the visual novel.


I didn't read Noblesse, only this thread, so I have no idea who is the main character, but what you write makes no sense at all.

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"Thus is our treaty written, thus is agreement made
Thought is the arrow of time, memory never fades
What was asked is given, the price is paid"

Well Rai is the main character, the reason for that is that the story revolves around him. His presence is the thing that sets premises for the story. That is how you find out who the main character is, not by the strongest one, the most respected or the good one. But who is in the center of it all? That is Rai.

Examples: Him lying in his coffin, started the whole shinwoo (and his friends) vs vampire. That led to Frankenstein and Rai having to save the kids and fight vs. M-21 and M-24. That fight led to more agents coming and being defeated, repeat,repeat...

The explanaition to why things are the way they are is also centered around the nobels and the desicions Rai made in the past (like saving Frankenstein, which led frankenstein to continue his work, and then his notebook was found, and that was how the Union became so good at modifying humans.) That he refused to become the lord, and went into sleap. Which led to a civil war and some of the elders going over to the union.

I could probably write 20 pages with examples, but i think this is enough to prove my point.

The amount of spotlight/ screenspace doesn't decide whether a character is main or not. Out of all the people in Franky's house, Rai and Seira gets the least amount of screen space..

The manhwa is all about Rai and just about him. It's just that his defination of himself includes all the other characters surrounding him.

Rai's desire for a peaceful life equals to the existence of the Children. The feeling someone protects you equals to Franky and rest of RK. And since the manhwa is all about him the other characters who are important to him plays the main role.

(Rai is a silent character and not to mention a oneshot killer...... How could you expect him to take much of screenspace/spotlight with this qualities?)

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Logically speaking, that's more acceptable.



No, I think that's the definition what title is. Just like Drifting Classroom and Uzumaki the title represent the story.

From the beginning I just want to hear what people opinion. Now I know that most of the Noblesse reader think RAI is the main character (I still think it's Frankenstein though, haha ).

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psycho-shocker:


Well, I used all those parameters just to give you an example.
It was not actually intended to mention "how a MC should be".

Draconic:


Again, that was just used as an example to support my view.

Besides, unlike others, Rai is almost "All-in-One".
He isn't only 'the strongest'.(Like other strong antagonists, etc)
He isn't only 'the respected one'. (A strong person isn't necessarily respected. Take antagonists and the likes for example)
He isn't only 'the most good-natured person'. (You think being the most good-natured person doesn't add up any value to a MC? Just wow!)
Last but not least, this Manhwa is itself titled 'Noblesse'. (As for your example, It's Fairy Tail, not Makarov's Tale, and he isn't 'the strongest' either.)

So after adding all those points to Rai's character, it's clear that he's in a really good position to be called the MC of 'Noblesse'.

@ psycho-shocker:

Why were you even giving those examples?!
None of them but one fits Nobless's criteria, and I didn't even mean to use them to describe the traits of a MC. But if you still want to argue over those points, here's your answer:

Hellsing: Alucard is the 'strongest', so that supports his position as MC. Duh!

Beelzebub: Obviously that kid isn't the 'strongest', so others(like Oga) would have no problem seizing the position of MC. Why did you give this example?

Medaka Box: Why are you even bringing this series here?! Read the following comments from its page:

1) "You don't have a male protagonist wich sucks and then gets stronger with training and his friends to fight the evil of the world by killing/beating his enemies, but you have a Monster/God/Overpowered woman that could just be alone and be fine that fights the evil of the world... literally. More than beating people and blaming them, Kurokami Medaka tries to reform everysingle person of the world, no matter what they did, no matter what they are, she will make them at least never do what they did again, and without hurting them permanently. Impossible? Too idealistic? Kurokami Medaka thinks the same... but it's still worth trying out."

2) "Next is Zenkichi, i like his character but he is almost the opposite of medaka, hes too weak and unimportant. "

The reason people still try to see the male character as the MC is because it's a Shounen manga(majority of the readers are boys).
But the truth is, Medaka is the BOSS here. She's the 'real' MC.
Of course, there's no rule that there can be only 'one' MC in a series, so Zenkichi could be counted as a MC too. Well, regardless of that, she "is" a MC, so your point in giving this example is moot.
Well, you yourself aren't sure about the MC, so why did you even bother giving this example in the first place?!

The Breaker: Wrong, wrong, you're wrong. What have you been reading till now?! Don't jump to conclusions before carefully reading and understanding the story.
The true "Breaker" is the MC, that young lad. He's the one who's going to bring new changes in the Murim society, and 'break' it apart from its rotten side. He is the 'true breaker' who will 'break' the so-called 'breaker' later on. And that's why, he's the MC', and 'The Breaker'.

Katekyou Hitman Reborn!: This one is the only correct example you gave. Well, as you should already know, there are always "exceptions" out there, and it's one of them.



What the heck? Isn't that already obvious?!
I was "simply mentioning some points in Rai's favor". That's it.



So, in your opinion those traits are just useless?! Well, whatever!
I'd have accepted that response if I mentioned stuff like "he's the most handsome guy of Noblesse," but I never did so, right?



Oh, look who's talking! (*pointing towards* Medaka Box, The Breaker, Noblesse...)

Well, I'd like to mention again that I used those parameters just to mention some points.
It was by no way intended to actually "describe the traits of a MC". Those were simply some major points in Rai's favor for the position of the MC. Nothing more and nothing less than that.

P.S.: As others have already mentioned, the most important reasons for Rai being the MC are:





And why he doesn't get much spotlight, the point that led you to assume that Frankenstein is the MC:



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I think strixflash pretty much nailed it above.

Someone could be forgiven for mistaking Frankenstein for the main character, but it still is a mistake. But, I will give you this (strictly my opinion): Frankenstein is the single greatest source of entertainment in the series.

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@HitsujinoHon
Bla bla bla, what are you? Some sort professor of manga? Why don't you just write a dissertation about this?


I said


Why not? Don't I have any right to speak here?


Clap clap clap.... As expected from professor of manga, have many reference. Sorry, but I don't have much free time to read and memorize all the words written in manga.


Don't you understand English? I said


Hey, it's because I don't have many reference (not like someone professor here). I just recently read manga (I don't have many free time though).


Damn right! Many manga have a badass MC, and I don't know if there is manga with "the most mysterious character" as MC.


Oh sorry professor, I am just a mere manga lover here.


In the end, you just copy others opinion. How shame.


Damn right. Way to go buddy.



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@ psycho-shocker:



Of course, you have. But only if they actually make sense with the topic we're talking about.

If I'm talking about 'Topic A' and you start talking about 'Topic B/C/D,' then that would be nothing but nonsense.
My point was Rai is almost an 'All-in-One' character, and that's why he is in a great position to be called the MC of 'Noblesse.' That's it.
I never said a MC has to be an "All-in-One" character , the strongest or the most respected one.
That's why I said there was no point in giving those examples.





Read my reply "properly and carefully" before replying to me.



From your reply, I can definitely say that I understand English 'better than you'.
You weren't able to comprehend my reply after all.

I said Shioon is the 'true breaker,' and since the Manhwa's title is 'The Breaker,' doesn't that mean your point in giving this example was moot?! He'll most probably get stronger than his master too(making your 'strongest' point moot), and is already respected so much by the top martial artists of the Murim world(and will be the most respected one after he brings the revolution in the Murim world). Unlike his master, he's also the head of one of the most strongest clans.
He's the fastest learner. Even Goomoonryong doesn't stand a chance against him when it comes to learning Martial Arts.
Doesn't all that make his character stand out already?!
He has more traits to his character than Goomoonryong. He's already in a great position to be called the MC.
So again, what was the point in giving this example?!



Seriously?!
I can't recall the titles at the moment, but there's many of them out there!
They are not just the 'most mysterious' but have other qualities too.
Did I ever say just being 'mysterious' is enough to be a MC? I mentioned it together with - strongest, respected, etc., and that means they also have other traits along with it.
Don't say anything if you don't even understand what others are talking about.



I was just saving my time by using those quotes, because I completely agree with them.
If you think using others' replies is a shameful act, then be prepared to face the rage of millions of posters who use 'I second', 'I third', etc. or quote others' replies to show their agreement with them.

In the end, you can't come up with any solid answer, and are just trying to use underhanded ways to save your sorry ass.

By the way, I and most of the readers would agree that Frankenstein is the single greatest source of 'entertainment' in the series. At least I'd definitely not say otherwise.
But, mistaking ''the source of entertainment" with "the MC" isn't a good thing, my friend.
If you can't understand something as simple as that, you should better stop arguing with me already.
(Your points of argument were useless, anyway.)



Then let's stop this discussion! You got what you wanted, right?
If you stop replying, there would be no need for us to reply to you either.
Why are you still replying to this topic?!
You couldn't agree with others' opinions and that's why you're defending your point.
Although you made this topic for the so-called "I just want to hear what's people opinion," you're actually using it to state "your opinion". You sound like a hypocrite.


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I read it properly, but you still ask "Why were you even giving those examples?" So I just simply answer it. Before I gave the example, I clearly said "...you just cannot decide by those parameter. I have a comparison..." and after I finished the examples I emphasis what I began by "...the main character is not always the title of the series or the strongest character or being the master..." I never mention that the examples completely don't match those parameter. I even said in Hellsing "yeah, he is the strongest". I just want to express my disagree of only using those parameter to decide MC.
It seem you're the one who doesn't read my reply properly.



Just reread my reply. I said "And though the title is the breaker" see the word "THOUGH"? Why I use that word? Because in the previous example I purposely want to break the thought "the title is the MC". Next, I want to break those parameter, but because of my limited knowledge I ended up use the breaker which "the breaker" here refer to both Goomoonryong (the person that want to erase the border between murim and ordinary world) and Shioon (can use martial arts but don't even know what murim is and those reason you come up with). Goomoonryong is the strongest, the most respected, the master of Shioon, the reason Shioon to fight, the person whose power acknowledge by Shioon, etc. But the MC is Shioon.


Sorry, do you give me any solid answer here with your long lecture?

I never read any series (just check all my list) that the non-MC have FAR MUCH more appearance than the MC. So I think Frankenstein is the MC. Why? aside that reason, if He never came to Lukedonia and informed the lord about the change of the Noble and met Noblesse, I think RAI just stay in his big castle do nothing but stare at the landscape.

From the beginning I just want to hear what's people opinion, but then you come and give me pain in the ass with your long lecture, not give any opinion on your own but blame whatever my opinion. If you just like any other people who come and give me simple reply about his/her opinion, I would like to answer him/her with a happy face . May be I am just a mere parliament member of some corrupt country, but it doesn't mean I abandon my duty. It's just my so called pride and what people said about parliament member should be able to hear public opinion then alter it for his own sake.

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@ psycho-shocker:







AGAIN:


I already agree with that point, so just why are you arguing over it?!



Yeah, I did see it. Though = "Despite the fact that"

You clearly wanted to say, "Despite the fact that 'The Breaker' is "Goomoonryong," he's not the MC."

And I responded with:



So, wasn't your point in giving that example completely meaningless?!
Besides, Shioon is the "fastest" learner, and even Goomoonryong doesn't stand up to him in this department. So, he does have a superior trait to him similar to Alucard to be in a good position for being called the MC.
Furthermore, even if he isn't the strongest at the moment, there's a very high possibility that he will be so later on. So, your "Goomoonryong is the strongest" point would be moot(later on).



Have you even read the manhwa properly?!
He most probably 'won't remain the strongest' till the end, guessing by the developments.
He most probably 'won't remain the most respected'(Hmm, isn't he already loathed so much by others?!) till the end.
He is actually "the former" master of Shioon. So, you're wrong again.
Shioon doesn't fight for him, but for his friends and comrades. The reason he even started learning to fight in the first place was, to protect his childhood friend. Have you even read this Manhwa properly?!
Unlike Frankenstein(who looks down on almost everyone except Rai), Shioon acknowledged not only Goomoonryong's power but that of other Martial Artists' too. There was no point in giving this reason.
Since this whole story now revolves around Shioon, so obviously he's the MC. Duh!

Seriously, learn to "read" properly. You couldn't comprehend my reply, neither is there any sign of you comprehending the story.

And again:




If that's true, then you don't know much about manga stories' world.
Although I don't remember the titles, there's many Shounen and Shoujo manga out there where the side characters get much more appearance and development than the MC.
Lots of people criticize many series specifically because of that reason.
The only reason 'Noblesse' isn't criticized for that is, because the story itself is all about Rai, the Noblesse. And he's simply amazing whenever he makes a move.
If you're just an ignorant guy, then don't make a fuss about it.
Go and research more about the Manga World if you have time to say those BS stuff here.



I've already dealt with your first reason.

Frankenstein would be locked in Lukedonia(even Frankenstein couldn't do well against two clan leaders. Besides, Rai would have easily taken care of him by himself) if Rai wasn't such a great person and hasn't acted as his Guardian by taking him under his service.
(And even if he didn't get caught, he would be spending most of his time experimenting various stuff. lol)

And therefore, without Rai's help Frankenstein would have hardly gotten any appearances, even lesser than that of Rai's.
Rai IS the reason he actually got involved with those modified humans(M 21, etc.) and in an all out fight with the Union. As a result, he gets so much exposure.



Stating the facts = Being a pain in the ass ?!
Awesome!!

Just because most of your points are moot, and you can't understand what the other person is saying doesn't mean you get the right to criticize them for it.
Blame yourself, and your sorry reasoning.