If you read Bakuman you would easily see how to pull this kind of stuff off.
So easy. All he had to do was make the new Bach character look like Zangetsu. No planning prior to this arc was needed.

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Bleach forum is kinda of funny... It's just about a bunch of people getting together to say how lame the chapter was, and how everything Kubo writes came from his ass.

I have noticed that too. I have been liking everything thing that is going on. Everything is going at a good pace unlike the end of the arrancer arc and even if it is just pulled out of his ass it is all still very interesting.

Whatever "Old Man" Zangetsu is, he is part of Ichigo's power. Before, he merged with hollow ichigo during the training for the final Getsuga Tensho. I don't thing it's going to turn into some kind of evil backstabbing type of deal.

Question now is, does this mean Ichigo has to go through learning his shikai and bankai all over again with a new zanpakuto? he definitely had a ban kai, and even his hollow side said that it was a ban kai. The hollow, the old man, and the younger zangetsu were all part of Ichigo's "power".

I will admit though, I really didn't need a bunch of comic BS at the beginning of the Chapter. Now we've got to wait for next week to find out anything. Like, does every quincy have a Bach hiding inside them? Also, why does the one inside ichigo have the appearance of Bach from 1000 years ago? Or, why does Bach now look different? From what Isshin said, Bach only fully regained his mind 9 years ago, and then took 9 years to get his power back. Why are the Vandenreich so much different from the Quincies seen before?

Also, there still isn't any clear explanation of what exactly a quincy is, or who Juha Bach/Yhwach is. They say all Quincy carry his blood. So, are they descended from him? Did he give them his blood? What is he that he has the powers that he does?

I'm with you on this. Nothing will ever convince me that Kubo didn't come up with most of this stuff sometime during last year, but this arc has generally been both entertaining and has done pretty good work at tying up the loose ends with acceptable explanations.

The chapter itself wasted too many pages on utterly useless and non-entertaining filler material, but the actual meat of the chapter actually ties in pretty well with what has been told so far.

Some of the complaints here don't even make sense. Let's take this part, for example:



This does not work on at least two different levels. 1) "the normal sword that every Shinigami has" is a stock-forged Asauchi. This was stated quite recently, along with a direct statement that Ichigo never had one. The fact that Ichigo's unreleased, un-named sword at the beginning was completely different from anything any Shinigami had seen before actually fits with what was told in this chapter. It was his own towering inner power manifesting something a bit like a normal Zanpakutou. Only 'zounds bigger.

2) Both the avatar of Zangetsu and the inner hollow both identified the last release as a Bankai. Neither had any reason to lie about this. The hollow has always wanted for Ichigo to grow stronger, since they share power.



That.. is actually pretty damn awesome.

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Finally someone who wants to talk about the manga.

Anyway, I don't think he'll need to go through shikai/bankai training again. Maybe a few chapters about Ichigo forming a bond with his zanpakuto.

The beginning wasn't the best, but the ending made me forget about it.

I'll read the battle again, maybe i can get some info.

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I actually hope Ichigo does get a new bankai, I never liked it. Everyone else's bankai is some big, massively powerful thing, but Ichigo's is just a boost to his speed and power. Albeit, it is a substantial increase, its just not flashy enough.

Maybe, just maybe, when his hollow took over those other times he was in bankai mode, but of course, not knowing what it was, he wasn't controlling it?

That's what I thought anyway.

That actually was very accurate. It shows that recent developments atleast tie in with the things said in the past.

Well, Zangetsu being his quincy powers doesn't makes him bad. We know he has had only one desire from the start and that is to protect Ichigo.

Zangetsu will explain his reasons for not revealing the truth by saying that he was waiting for the right time, etc.... I doubt he will be a bad guy.

He might try to act as a badie and then fight Ichigo, but that's how shonen is. After the fight or sometimes later he will say he did it for the sake of Ichigo or something along those lines.

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I was reading previous chapters and noticed one thing. When Yamamoto used bankai he said something about Quincy not being able to steal it (too powerful) and Ichigo's because it still had room to evolve.

It makes sense to think they coudnl't steal it because it was Juha's power and not an actual shinigami zanpakuto.

p.S ~ Remember when Ichigo's bankai was shown and people talked about the swastika? The explanation was that the kanji for bankai is actually 卍解.
But now that we now Ichigo's is also a Quincy, and Quincy are "german", isn't it strange?
No offence intended.

In this case, I wouldn't call it just Quincy power, as their power takes a specific form. I would guess that the quincy power was being used as a medium for his shinigami powers. Ichigo is, after all, unique. He's the offspring of a shinigami/human and a quincy/hollow. Also it seems that the hollow inside his mother went into him, which meant that after he was born, his father was busy restraining the hollow inside ichigo. I don't know whether that means that Masaki was at that point out of danger.

I don't think Ichigo will have to learn anything more, as he is already quite in synch with his inner hollow, power, etc. The avatar of Zangetsu, while having the form of Bach, I would wager is not just an extension of Bach's personality, but has it's own personality, as Bach doesn't seem to care about protecting anyone.

Kind of makes you wonder what Bach's back story is. I remember Ishida saying that the Fullbringers used a power similar to Quincy power, so maybe Bach lost his parents to hollows, gained powers, somehow trained them to become immense powers, and also had the ability to transfer his powers to others

Well it all kind of makes sense is he has only been using his Shikai so far. It would explain quite a few things, especially why they couldn't steal his bankai, because it wasn't actually a banaki.