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Post #618312
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9:31 pm, Oct 19 2013
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Woah, definitely surprised that the "When you start a series and then find out: Last Release (1000d ago). Completely Scanlated: No" option is leading in votes. I was expecting something like "People who ask: 'When will the next chapter be released'" or "People making money off scanlations" to have more since checking the last release date before reading something isn't exactly hard.

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9:47 pm, Oct 19 2013
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I choose 'When multiple groups scanlate the same series' because it tied closely to 'When a good series stops being scanlated because it's not popular' and 'When a good series stops being scanlated because the group closed'. some manga have lots of scanlator and i just feel so sorry for the manga that dont get scanlated, cos nobody will know them.

Post #618321 - Reply to (#618258) by tnwls523
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10:15 pm, Oct 19 2013
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I love this, this is probably the best way to go around this particular poll. No one asked, but here's my list of lesser evil to evil incarnate:

1. Making money of scanlations. If they are doing it legit, being hired by the legal owners of the particular manga, then great job and keep up the good work. Sure, I'll have to pay now, but that's the price I must pay for good quality translation

2. Multiple groups scanlating same series. I'm ignorant to the world behind scanlations and don't know what the big deal is. However, when multiple groups do one manga, there seems to be more hatred in the group's forums than usual, so that sucks.

3. Speed scanlations. Some are crap, but if I love the series a lot, I just can't wait to see the plot continue.

4. Group with too many projects. Sucks that releases are slower, but if the group wants to do that many manga, then who am I to stop them.

5. Leechers whining. As I said before: I do not work in scanlations and I do not create anything that others find good enough to rush me. Still, even I think that's just rude.

6. Starting a dead series. This sucks, but I know better than to start a series that isn't being worked on anymore and isn't licensed.

7. Group closed. Normally, this would fall under number 6, but if it happens suddenly to me, I would be very, very sad. However, I've been lucky enough that a particular series will be picked up by either another group or a splinter faction of the previous.

8. Cease & Desist. If I'm reading a manga that's been licensed online, its either because the manga has been horribly done or the scanlation is hundreds of chapters ahead and pumped out at a faster rate while maintaining quality. I understand that what is being done isn't exactly legal, or morally justified, but come ON! A group of volunteers on their spare time should not be doing a better job than a group of god damned, paid professionals.

9. A good series not being popular. This simply breaks my heart. If its not popular, it will likely never be licensed so I have no way of reading it shy of learning the language. I'll admit, its less of a hate, but I definitely have a stronger emotional reaction.

10. People making money off scanlations. Yes, I know, I mentioned this previously, but this one is the other side of the coin: People stealing others work and selling it as though it was their own, or simply selling their own work without consideration of the legal owners. Both are horrible offenses, casting a very bad light to an already questionable system.

Glad I got that off my chest, sorry for the long post and thanks for reading if you did.

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11:13 pm, Oct 19 2013
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This is quite hard for me to choose 1 for this poll.
I have lots of issues regarding to the scanslators like for example on the choices:


When you start a series and then find out: Last Release (1000d ago). Completely Scanlated: No

The good example for this is Itazura Na Kiss (The last time I check this series was 5 years ago, and still haven't released new chapter and eventually, the group closed for good), YAWARA! (I really LOVE this series until the chapter releases becomes ridiculously slow and I lost my interest reading it), Jig + Zag (Same scenario as YAWARA!), Flat (AOGIRI Natsu) and Yasuko to Kenji (One of my few Mangas that I truly love and the group is already closed/lack-of-interest-to-scanslate which makes me mad the most) and a-lot more!


When a group has too many projects and releases are slow for the series you read

I don't like some scanslation group that had a tons of projects and when my favorite series that I'm reading there keeps hanging for, worse, a long period of time.


When a good series stops being scanlated because it's not popular
Well, this issue is hard to ignore. Especially when there are lot of people are waiting for it.
Instead of "It's not popular", it should be "They lost their interest to scanslating it".


When a good series stops being scanlated because the group closed
This rarely happens to me.

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11:21 pm, Oct 19 2013
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I think what annoys me the most is when the series I read are released slowly solely because a group has too many projects. In some cases, the series has already been completed in Japan for more than a year, but for some reason, the group can only release a chapter every 3-4 months. I can understand if the people are busy with their every day lives (school, work, etc), but if its simply because they want to try doing 50 projects at once then this is just ridiculous.

I didn't select the "Last Release (1000d ago). Completely Scanlated: No" option because I always check before I start reading to see if the story has been completed. I actually try to only read manga that is already completed because I never know if a group is going to be able to finish a series. I think most of the series listed on this site are unfinished and have been dropped by their scanlators for one reason or another.

Also, I don't get annoyed by people who ask: "When will the next chapter be released?" If I wasn't lazy and actually bothered to write to scanlators, I would be one of these people. In a case where its been months or even years since a chapter has been released, why can't I ask the scanlator what is happening with the manga? I feel like if you decide to take on a job you should try to complete that job as best as you can.

I also don't get annoyed when multiple groups do the same series. This means that the series has a better chance of actually getting completed.

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12:07 am, Oct 20 2013
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Profit. That's what draws the law and takes it from being a way to access material that non-Japanese speakers would have problems getting to, to something that's going to shut down the whole system. I can put up with slow/irregular releases of a project. There's always more to read. Unless someone's set fire to the whole process. Then we have problems.

Post #618335 - Reply to (#618312) by jj11103
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12:16 am, Oct 20 2013
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Quote from jj11103
I was expecting something like "People who ask: 'When will the next chapter be released'" or "People making money off scanlations" to have more since checking the last release date before reading something isn't exactly hard.

Don't forget that a lot of people - even among visitors to this site - prefer online readers to downloading, and a series dropped by the scanlators long ago may still be a recent upload on any given online reader.

As for my choice, I was deliberating between the "not popular" and "group closed" options, and eventually settled upon the "not popular." Although depending upon how/why the group closes, it could easily go the other way.

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12:53 am, Oct 20 2013
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My anger isn't listed! My anger is people (readers, leechers) acting like they are entitled to scanlations, complaining about the speed/quality/etc of something they are getting for free at the time and money expense of volunteers. Stop complaining and go learn Japanese yourself, whiny babies!

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4:24 am, Oct 20 2013
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I was surprised not seeing 'people making money off scanlation' leading (that's the one I chose). I don't care if any release is out late. Scanlation is free of charge; I don't think I should get angry if something is unscanlated or dropped.

Post #618371 - Reply to (#618350) by Fantasier
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7:52 am, Oct 20 2013
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You see not many people know about the making money part. They care more about releases since they're "free of charge". Also you should be specific because there are two ways of interpreting this--aggregate sites like MF or groups actually asking for a salary. most groups clearly ask for "donations" but I'm not too sure about my position on that

Also about the option where it says "people asking when the next release is" that was just so randomly stuck in there. I felt like most of the options were related pretty well to the scanlators directly or the scanlating world. People asking when the next release is, I feel like that's asking for people who have or do scanlate to choose that option.

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8:15 am, Oct 20 2013
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I chose the most popular option too. I hate it when the scnalations for the series I started reading is basically dead. After a 1000 days there's very little chance that someone will pick it up.

Post #618374 - Reply to (#618371) by mysstris
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8:22 am, Oct 20 2013
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Hmm, I think I mean 'anyone wanting profit from scans'. I hate the way aggregators, probably except Batoto, make money from scanlation. I understand that scanlators need some money to pay for their hosting and all, so I don't mind them asking for donation or putting ads. Still, if they were to make profit from those, or any methods, I wouldn't be happy with them.

This reply is off-topic here though.

Post #618377 - Reply to (#618223) by strixflash
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8:42 am, Oct 20 2013
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And why would you care what others think about it?
You, yourself can always choose to read the HQ version and like it.
It shouldn't matter what others say about it.

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Post #618378 - Reply to (#618230) by NightSwan
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8:44 am, Oct 20 2013
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Nothing can be done?
You can solve more than half of the choices by joining a group and helping out.

You could even start to learn Japanese yourself instead of whining over years how difficult it is.
In the end, it's just excuses for one's own laziness.

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Post #618381
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8:52 am, Oct 20 2013
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The choices can be divided in 3 categories:
1) The reader is lazy (2, 3, 4, 5)
2) Official Publisher Interference (8, 9)
3) Scanlator POV (1, 6, 7)

The reader himself can solve half of these problems himself as 1) shows.
Want to read a manga, but slow/no scanlation?
Then fucking start an own group.
I did the same. I studied Japanese for 3 years and then started to scanlate a project that had been abandoned. Why can't you do so yourself? Japanese is difficult? Oh please, dont kid me.

At the end of the day, reader are just selfish pricks that are too lazy to even lift a single finger (except for browsing the online reader) for their hobby.

Yes, this post was written from the POV of a very annoyed scanlator smile

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