As I have mentioned, this debate is not worth my time, but I will answer some general questions (informally and simplified in a way even you can understand). I won't continue the debate, but I am more than happy to pick apart your posts.
1. It is true, English is not my first language (changes nothing/irrelevant to actual debate), but it seems you are implying English /is/ your first language and yet your grammar and lexis is still dismal. 'How does one make walls of text without any content?' Doesn't asking that question already tip you off? One doesn't. Rather than my posts lacking content, your grasp on the English language is just too weak to parse my posts. Or perhaps you subconsciously reject my logic as you are unable to refute me (viz. uneducated)? You read and write with the clarity of a middle schooler (in my country
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You say I am being 'vague' without backing up or clarifying your accusation other than 'vague' statements about my argument being 'vague'. The one who ended up saying nothing this whole conversation is you. I have said plenty. In fact I've wasted my time saying too much to someone who is able to understand too little.
2. I said YOUR straw men arguments are silly. Pls learn 2 read. Pls.
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So far you've yet to give a single argument to support your views. Context and your "position" have nothing to do with that.
Sweet baby Jesus, pls stop while you still appear (maybe) mildly intelligent. Context and position (on the topic in question) are what MAKES UP an argument.
4. Ad hominem is an adjective, I was describing your argument, my grammar is correct, moron.
5. I said my opinions are subjective TO ME, I said they were true TO ME. Oh my god, I can't even deal... When people in your country make a statement such as 'I think I'll go to the store today' do they add 'LOCATED WITHIN [INSERT WHATEVER FREAKING COUNTRY YOU ARE FROM]'. Usually if one is referring to a universal truth that applies to the ENTIRE WORLD, they would state as such. Use your common sense, or perhaps you are just trying to misrepresent my position.
6. I don't know what films you have been watching, but I've never seen a movie where mass murder is depicted as a good thing.
7. Pls refer to to a Democratic country, and then refer to their laws. If the country is Democratic, the laws should be a basic moral standard set by the people of the country. Congratulations, you have just learned common Democratic law. Again, pedophilia is a fetish that is against the law.
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I'm not saying there isn't. I'm saying there's no indication anywhere in apparent sight and you failed to provide any source.
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So far you've yet to give a single argument to support your views.
/Provides you with research paper with findings to support my arguments.
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No one wants your sources.
Wat.
Also your freaking 'English'...my 'views' and my 'arguments' are interchangeable, literally they mean the same damn thing.
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And why would manga that is not taken into consideration won anything?
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That is not a proper was to use a source in the first place.
U r tru poet.
10. Wow that low blow at feminists (and also the crude comment about the size of shiratori's privates) is prejudiced as hell. I mentioned ONE (not seven and twelve blog posts) book, which happens to be a widely-read classic (in my country), and is part of proper mandatory high school education, which you seem to lack. Also, 'that' feminist in 'the' breast poll, now that's what I call vague. What the hell are you referring to. That stab was literally in no way related to the discussion, and was just an attack on my character. (AD HOMINEM!) (LOGICAL FALLACY!)
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You claim I attacked your character, assume my own opinions to be correct, defend yaoi fangirls and say your views are by default wrong.
Where do I even begin...first of all stop switching tenses in the same sentence. Second...grammar...just....grammar.
A.
Attacks on my character: Stupid, moron, prejudiced, insecure, incapable. Dat extensive and magnificent vocabulary lul.
B.
Assuming your opinions correct/My views incorrect: All your rhetorical questions. They were challenges to my argument. Issuing them in question form does not exempt you from their implications. Perhaps that is not your intention and just an effect of your lack of understanding of English and grammatical inflections?
C.
Defending the fanbase:
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But where the hell did you draw that defending homosexual rights card from? Where there is any indication of yaoi fangirls being LGBT-activists, as you seem to indicate?
See answer B. Also, how does it feel to be quoted out of context? Context doesn't matter, right? I hope you see the intended irony in my questions. Allow me to point it out for you.
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I didn't tell you my own view on the subject, what are you talking about?
See below.
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but the reason I dislike the genre is because most of it is fetishized, disrespectful representations of homosexual relationships
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That could be said about all sexualisation in any medium.
No argument against sexualization being fetishized and disrespectful. Implied agreement. Perhaps it's just your weak English skills in action?
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You made seemingly prejudiced statements without any arguments to support your views.
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I never once defended yaoi fangirls.
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And I'm certainly not taking any middle ground.
I spoke out against yaoi fangirls, you are against my 'prejudiced' opinion, yet you also 'did not defend fangirls'. Do you need me to define middle ground for you. Really?
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If you're not interested in taking a broader view into consideration then perhaps you should be so vague it leads to such questions.
LOL, if you had countered with an actual position with its own 'basis' we could have had a proper debate and maybe you could have convinced me on your positions. However, as you said, you never gave your 'own views' and only countered with vague, passive-aggressive questions.You don't provide me with a reasonable counter-view to even take into consideration and then accuse me of not being interested in a broader view? How can I be when your 'argument' is so weak and unconvincing? Where is YOUR basis?
Never in my life have I met someone as hypocritical and unable to...understand words...as much as you. I feel like I'm being trolled right now, rather than you lacking so much...understanding.
Being rude and informal feels so much better than trying to have a polite, formal debate. I was not being vague previously, I was ignoring your fallacies and rudeness and trying to properly debate my side without getting sidetracked/offtopic. Can't say I didn't put effort into treating you like an intelligent human. You're like an angry kid trying to grasp at straws on the losing side of an argument, throwing around big words you are clearly not ready to use. I have no 'argument' (lol) skills? You debate like you've never even heard of formal, structured debate in your life. 'Hypocrisy, prejudice, stupidity' and SO MANY logical fallacies, it's all there in your posts, you're just too blinded by yourself to see them. Picking apart a post, rather than providing an actual counterargument, feels so good (and takes up so little brain power), I can see why you do it. Viva stupidity, I've been too spoiled by interacting with too many intelligent people on the internet.
Last edited by Doormouse at 5:52 pm, Apr 29 2014