Spain didn't even qualify. One could argue they might have had an easier time. 7-1? this is not a amateur team, it is the semi finals for god sake. Brazil didn't fluke their way there at least i think they did not.

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So what?

Greece qualified; are they a better team than Spain? no, they're clearly not. Spain is and was a better team than Brazil.

They may not be an amateur team, but they sure looked like it with the way they played and the way their manager chose to play.

Spain wasn't even close to as bad as Brazil was and they still lost 5-1.

Also, Brazil was EXTREMELY 'lucky' with the referee calls they got, and they didn't face any quality teams besides Chile and Colombia, who you could argue would have won if not for those lucky calls.

Germany has looked good, but so has Netherlands and Argentina; they haven't won anything, and this game hasn't changed anything.

I won't argue with you, sure they fluked their way to semi's, spain clearly better...but chillie was better than spain and lost to brazil through luck. You would imagine Chile should have beat brazil with hand and foot in mouth.

I'll come back here to gloat later when Germany win. Denial is a fickle thing.

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Rofl. Why is it that a debate is considered arguing to everyone on the internet? They seem to say this when they have nothing to back up their opinion, or when they're losing the debate.. How odd.

Anyway, sure Germany may win, but to say they win before their opponent is even decided? Based on a game that Brazil lost to themselves?

Seriously?

You CLEARLY don't watch football and you CLEARLY don't know that anything can happen in the beautiful game.

Before the World Cup: Costa Rica in the quarter final? Impossible. Reigning champions Spain not making it past the group stage and losing 5-1? Impossible. Italy and England finishing the bottom of their group? Impossible.

Guess what? It all happened, and anything can happen in the final. I'll be sure to remind you if Germany lose, and if they win, I'll be sure to send a congratulations to them on Twitter or something.

Yet you deny Germany being favorites. Sure there is a chance Argentina or Netherlans win (there is always a chance), they are great teams but why do you profusely refute Germany as the clear favorite, it almost sounds childish to me, sorry.
It was a prediction. You make it sound like I stated the game happened. As if it is wrong to predict or suggest a favorite. What? I have to be agnostic or I'm wrong?

4 years between world cup means the teams are not the same, or bring the same quality of football. That is basic knowledge, I even think Portugal was far worse than they were 4 years ago. So all those previous predictions hold less water than the current display.

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What happened to not 'arguing' with me any more?

Germany BARELY made it past France, Germany ALMOST lost to Algeria, Germany TIED Ghana 2-2, and BARELY beat the US. One great result against Brazil, a team actually lost to itself, is suddenly going to change that? Brazil wasn't even playing well in their other games.

Lmfao, please stop. You said "I'll come back here to gloat later when Germany win. Denial is a fickle thing."

Thats more than a god damn prediction, you're clearly saying you KNOW they're going to win. Not a matter of favourites or not; you're not even giving the other team a chance, when you don't even know who they are. If you don't see that giving Germany the win when you don't even know their opponent is jumping the gun by a long shot and is stupid as hell.. I don't know what to tell you.

Germany are a great team, and I've already said so. Congrats to them for the fantastic win today; but even they know that it wasn't entirely down to them and that almost any team could have beaten Brazil with the way they were playing.

Germany is indeed one of the best teams in the world, who know how to attack, counter and defend. Do they have a great chance to win? Yeah. But guess what? Argentina have the best player in the world. Netherlands beat Spain 5-1, and can surprise everyone. And, to top it off, there is no single way in the world that any other team would do such stupid tactical decisions as Scolari did.

The World Cup isn't over, stop acting like it is.

Speaking of not making guarantees before the matches are played...

Its hard not to reply when you say things like, "Oh, you said there is no chance team abc will win".
I didn't say there was no chance Argentina or Nether could win.

I was simply backing my previous statement at the very start of this thread that Germany would take the whole thing. I was talking about coming back later as i figured the chances for germany winning the cup are quite high. Best player in the world doesn't always = win. Netherlands are strong but i have to give Germany the edge.
Netherlands faced who in the quarters and semi, Mexico and Costa rico(penalties). both near misses if you ask me. Whilst Germany drew with Ghana, hardly qualifies as a clear weakness since they finished top of the group anyhow.

1-0 at this level is a clear win, look at previous cups. Anymore than 1-2 goals is a stomping.

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I didn't say before the games are played.

I said before the opponents are decided.

Despite that, this is a clear example of what you shouldn't do. I made a mistake due to my hatred of Germany. Too many people jump on the bandwagon, and too many people who don't know anything about Football say they're gonna win.. I was trying to counteract it by saying Germany would lose early. Whoops.



By saying that you'll be back here when Germany wins to gloat, means you 100% expect Germany to win, otherwise you wouldn't make such a statement.

Whoever wins will win, but to say someone will win before their opponent is decided is foolish.

By all means say they can win when the opponent is decided, thats understandable.

But what happens if Netherlands beat Argentina 7-1? or the opposite?

Its pretty simple. Regardless, I'm actually done with this debate. I wish Germany good luck despite the fact that I don't want them to win, and I hope we see an actual good game on sunday, instead of a game like the one we saw today.

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People can make statements like that based on probability, mathematical guesses. Sure, they are more obscure right now when it comes to football, but what do you think the probability of Netherlands or Argentina are of setting the same RECORD of 7 goals in a semi's? care to take a gander on that mathematical guess dear old chap?

I HAVE to know they will win to make a statement like that? please...just stop.

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Wow, such a hypocrite.... You're still trying to take the moral high ground? Hilarious.


Anyway, I still want Argentina to win because Messi is the Captain Tsubasa of Argentina, but I thought Germany was the #1 favorite for the whole tournament ever since Neymar got injured.

I want the Netherlands to win. I understand why people are backing Germany but I feel that they haven't really done anything spectacular to deserve the confidence placed on them. This tournament has been somewhat of a disappointment. Spain did an Italy, ivory coast beat themselves, Argentina got lucky and ghana and Portugal were half asleep.

However, Australia, Algeria, Columbia, Costa Rica and Iran (even though they had the most boring match with Nigeria) were all outstanding.

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How can people not see Germany as the favourite escapes me.
Especially saying that Netherlands are more likely to win this instead. Let's look at both teams path in this competition:

they both won easily their respective Group: Netherlands won all of the matches. They completely wiped out a great team like Spain, even though in bad shape, defeated a solid team like Chile (with the first place of the Group at stake), won with great fatigue against a not so great team like Australia.

Germany won two of the matches. They completely wiped out a good team (with the current officially claimed best player of the world) like Portugal, defeated a solid team like USA, Drew with great fatigue against another solid team like Ghana.

They both faced difficulties in the next match. Germany had to defeat Algeria in the extra-time (but they never got near losing). Netherlands beat Mexico at the last minute, and they were one step away from going out of the tournament. The next match? Germany got rid of a really good France without losing too much sweat, Netherlands was almost out against Costarica, a bad team but in perfect shape, a team without one of their best defenders and a team that was dragged into penalties the previous match.

Then Germany proceeds to wipe out another great contender, in horrible shape and without the two most representative players, but still 7-1 doesn't give too much space to interpretations. The referee never got the chance to influence this game, they were just THAT strong.

See a path here? Germany has been steadily improving during this tournament, physically and psychologically, it's not by chance. They received the best preparation for this occasion.
Maybe they're not going to win, but darn I know on which team I would place my bet now.

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Netherlands out, now it's Argentina left to face Germany, would be a good story for messi and his team to win but it will be a huge ask of his team. How will their defense shape up i wonder..

I actually thought Argentina had a pretty good chances before the game to beat Netherlands, turns out i was right, Argentina just seemed Hungrier for that win. The hunger was real.

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