not sure why this series has to be featured the way it is now and not the way it used to be (each volume had a page with info). when you look at Please/Rules series by MIYAMOTO Kano http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=5613 - it has timeline, different pairings, many volumes even doujinshi and many many different scanlation groups and still it is managed in a decent way. why can't this be done for this series?

Last edited by Anael777 at 2:57 pm, Jul 22 2014

^I agree with you.

Btw, for those who can't stand the current organization, see below link, I've been using that link ever since this series was all squashed together. I can't stand looking at one page and see 12 different scanlation groups for the same title name. It's confusing which group did which part of the series.

http://web.archive.org/web/20131010064705/http://www.mangau pdates.com/series.html?id=52729

And if that link doesn't work, this is where I got it from: http://www.internetfrog.com/mywebsite/archive/

This organization is absolutely horrible and makes no sense. If this is how baka-updates is going to be organizing their manga, then I would like to know why ALL series with prequels and sequels are not all grouped together under one page. Why is Sakyou Aya's Kuroneko series separated into individual pages. Combining those together would make more sense than this monstrosity because they at least all have the same title pattern and protagonists.

No, this will NOT help new readers. Each series has different themes and different characters. They are very very different. Warui is about a dumb HS student and a sadist student council president. Kirai ja nai Kedo is about childhood friends, one a tsundere. Mujiha is about college students, one very seductive and wounded by the results and one very straightforward and possessive. Yes, a few of the characters cross over into other books, but Warui is a series separated from Mujiha and Kirai ja nai Kedo. Just look at their titles. Notice how the three different stories have three DIFFERENT title patterns and three DIFFERENT pairings. Some chapters in these separate, distinct stories, don't even have ANY characters from the other two stories. For example, Shirahane rarely appears in Mujiha and the pair from Kirai ja nai Kedo never do.

As a new reader, this would make no sense to me. I would be overwhelmed by the complexity of it all mainly because it doesn't follow the organizational style used by the rest of the website. I would have read the first book and dropped the entire series. The Warui series was my least favorite and Mujiha is my most favorite. New readers should be given an opportunity to search for (via Category and genre) and find each of these stories by itself. They are all stand alone. The Mujiha is not the sequal to Kirai ja nai Kedo, you don't need to read Warui before you can understand the other two. They are all distinct, separate, stand-alone series. The admin have no business combining three separate series together in one page.

If I sound angry it's because I am. Where is the previous comment I wrote? Where are the previous threads? Why are the admins deleting our criticism of this ridiculous and nonsensical organization decision? Why are they so attached to this? Why is there so much drama and why ONLY these manga series. Why are others not also equally combined? Many others have also provided examples of how this decision was not applied to similar situations.

This organization style will keep new fans from enjoying it and keep current fans from being informed about the status of the series they are following. It should be reverted back. The admin who refuse to revert it back and covered up the criticism obviously has a God complex. Learn to accept and grow from criticism. Sometimes your great idea fails when tested by the real world.

Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine. -____-

How is this not easier for new readers? I just showed my husband (who hasn't read any of this) and asked him is the page confusing at all. He said no, it's not.
Because it isn't!
Having it all on one page is more convenient.
You want to know something that IS confusing? Try reading some of the Marvel or DC comics.

That was just a small paste of what it's like. That's something written by multiple people, has different names, and supposed to be read in a certain order.


As much as you guys keep saying it's a stand alone. No, it's not. They do interconnect. (Can you read them alone? Yes. Should you? Probably not.)
If you don't like a couple, that's fine if you want to skip over them, but should you? Probably, not.


Should an admin have deleted the other threads? ... No, it wasn't nice, but if it was to prevent a headache over this small matter. I can understand why.



I still don't see what the big deal is with having separate pages. Most of what's out is already completely scanlated. I'm sorry you have to use your brain and read a bit more before reading the manga. Such a terrible thing right? Reading more than you should. How absurd !!!


Sidenote- It would be great if someone who hasn't read this, check out the page, and say if it's "confusing". (This way we get a "new reader's" perspective.) You don't have to read it, just let us know if it's seems confusing or not.

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Personally I like it this way.
I like the reading order A LOT; in the past it was so confusing and I kind of dropped this series because of that. I also like the added benefit of listing which pairing appears in which volume (because I like some more than others ).
The coloring and grouping by similar titles is helpful, too.
The only thing I don't understand is the bracketed "appearance number." Is that supposed to dictate the order they appear in the volume?? If so, I don't think it's really necessary and it ended up confusing me.
Other than that, thank you for grouping it this way

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Nevertheless, this is a lot harder for those who are used to the older organization. At least in the old one, we could tell which group did which, which series was completed and which weren't, etc... I still find myself trying to find a certain volume through the search but it comes up empty and i forget that it's not condensed.

How about requesting to add a poll to this thread so we can open this up to a vote?

Quite frankly I'm really baffled by the whole lack of clear and user friendly organization this website was known for. We don't even get the updates on new chapters anymore which is the whole point people use Baka-Updates!!! If I was'nt following every single release from September Scanlations I wouldn't have known Mujihi na Karada had an update yesterday finishing this volume. What is the point of Baka-Updates if it DOES NOT give accurate UPDATES As I pointed out in my previous post, this is not the case for the extremely long Please/Rules series, this is why I ask who thought it was a great idea?

Okay this is the only thing I could see being problematic ...
Not the fact that you're not notified on releases. (You are. In the Releases Page it did pop up under Warui Koto Shitai, Thursday, July 31st 2014 by September Scanlations, 14th post so probably early in the day.
Since I have Yaoi pop up in green it was highlighted in green, and had the reading symbol next to the title, so very noticeable for me. Probably not as much for those not color coding releases.)

It's the other end of the knowing a new release is out which is looking at your reading list, and having a new red number pop up. Why is it stuck on c.7? (Going to see if they can fix it)


BUT Seeing as every volume is completely scanlated expect for volume 13. All the confusion of knowing when releases are out, should be gone. (Since the only releases from this series is going to be from V.13)


Dear you know you can see that if you go to Search for all releases of this series (Right under Latest Release(s) on the page)
You can even go to the bottom click show 100 per page. Then back to the top and sort by volume number. (If you want to save time pressing the Home, and End keys on your keyboard will make this faster)
It'll show up like this (you'll have to reput show 100 per page), and there you go. You get to see how many chapters are in each volume, and done by which group.
You can also sort by groups if you'd like.

As for not knowing what's still being scanlated and what's completely scanlated.
That's why I color coded the page. The volume title popping out in color are still being scanlated. If it doesn't pop up in color it's completely scanlated.


Right now that seems more like someone looking for a certain arc in a story. (Like if I wanted to reread an arc from Claymore, but I'm not sure where it starts).
What you could do, like everyone else looking for a certain arc. You could make a thread in this section of the forums, asking "What volume does ____ happen"
(Or reread everything ....)

@pitopeanut - As for new readers dropping this because they didn't like the first pair. (which I agree the first pair is my least favorite, and I wouldn't want to keep reading nonstop volumes featuring this pair.)
There disclaimer added.


It's suppose to be the pair number and what number time they are being featured.(where they are the main focus). Why have that? *shrug* It was in next to the titles back when it was in separate pages.
Maybe so you can note which volumes you likes. (Like you're reading really enjoy that volume, and take note that it's the 2nd volume the pair 2 was focused on.) ....
T^T Thank you for liking my color coding idea.



Sidenote- For anyone wondering why I'm trying to make this solo page work out so much. Well I do enjoy the series (all of it). It is a lot more easier having it all on one page.
I would hate others to drop a good series because it's "confusing" (Which you know, it was back when the page first got merged).
Last I make lemonade, heh. Adapt to things. If the series got merged, and you asked once for it to change back and you get a "no". Deal with it. Make some lemonade with me. (Or fertilizer if our lemons are rotten, lol)

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Actually, I have Warui on my reading list and it does not update with new chapters. It is marked as completed with 7 chapters and no new updates show up. In addition, there is a new couple introduced by the mangaka and it is being scanlated right now. Of course, we get no updates on this neither, rendering Manga Baka-Updates useless...

Also, Warui Yatsu Demo Ii is not finished. For a website used to keep track of read manga Baka-Updates is going a horrible job... I'm quite disappointed.

I said you're 1/2 right.
There's two ways we know of new releases. A) Through the Releases Page. B) Through our reading list, if we mark what chapter we're on.

It works perfectly fine through route A).
Sorry the picture is a bit blurry.
Sorry I said 14th post, I miscounted it's 16th post. (Counting from the bottom up)

It does not work through route B)
On our reading list the red listing is stuck on c.7 and I tried to report it in the manga bugs thread ... but it's not going to get fixed ... I'm not too sure if it's a bug they can't fix right now or something else.
So finding out a new release through this route and you're SOL.



For Vol.13 (the new couple) we can see it get updated on the Releases Page, but unfortunately not on our reading list. (Only making MU 1/2 useless... Your words not mine.)



Thank you for pointing out Warui Yatsu Demo Ii is not completely scanlated. I updated the page to let others know it's not.
Man that was hard looking for the raws ... or maybe my searching skills are that bad ... but I found an extra was not scanlated.

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All in all, I think there is a reason people want to check their updates on what THEY are reading... not have to sift through every single thing released everywhere else... but hey I might be wrong...

Also, just to make it clear V.13 - Shouwaru Ookami ga Koi o Shita Rashii (Wicked Wolf Seems to Be in Love) [4-1] is a 5-1 pairing not 4-1
there were two new pairings added by the mangaka...

As I said, Baka-Updates is completely useless when it comes to this series...

Last edited by Anael777 at 4:07 pm, Aug 7 2014

I actually agree with kitty1826x, it's much more understandable to have everything on one page. The information is right there, you can see all the couples and which volumes they appear on, which is especially useful for newer readers. You might say that all the text might scare them, but the original would've still shown it to have 13 volumes. If you're the type willing to read 13 volumes of yaoi, you're probably willing to read a minute's or so worth of text. If you're not going to follow all the couples, the beginning explicitly states how to find the couple/s you want. It really isn't confusing.

However, I would like to state that it is slightly inconvenient to the readers already used to the old one as we've marked the volumes we've already read as complete, while the one's we're currently reading marked with the chapter number. I myself found this troublesome with the new organisation, for example, with the Warui couple I was somewhere on volume 5, the ja Nai kedo on volume 8 and the Mujiha na couple a chapter on volume 11. Having it all put together made my marks disappear and merge into a 'complete' for when I marked Warui Koto Shitai, the first volume, so I wouldn't be able to continue from I left off without having to reread a couple of old chapters. This just made me rage.

But going back to the old organisation wouldn't help. I still wouldn't get my markings back, and the organisation's worse. There's no point raging.


tl;dr: The new organisation is not confusing, but somewhat inconvenient to old readers. Oh well. You'll get over it.

my point is I can't track new releases - that's all I'm cribbing about...

Just throwing this out there, but doesn't this mean similar series like Happy Yarou Wedding should also be changed to a similar format as well?