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Post #667219
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1:43 pm, Jun 16 2015
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To summarize all the comment before me in a simple to understand few words of what other thinks before my opinion is spoken:
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Novel/Light Novel/ Web Novel:
Yes on keeping the novel: People with the most comments is on this and the majority of them say they would like to keep the light novel & web novel, even if filter. They would not like it remove.

No on Novel:: Minority give this opinion and when they do, their reason are either they hate novel (no reason given why) or they don't care because they don't read it.
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webcomics: the next biggest voices in the comment on this but not as big as the novel one. Most like webcomics
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Doujinshi: Indifferent, People are Indifferent about this (my opinion on this it seen not so important)
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My opinion:
Novel/Light Novel/ Web Novel: Please do not remove this nor take out web novel just because they are web novel. All the known web novel that I know that being translated come from "web novelist site" and not from blog. They get opinion from reader and correct any mistakes or dislike from it. And from "web novelist site" they sometime turn into "light novel" from a Publish Company that pick them.

webcomics: Same opinion as all the other comment before me

Doujinshi: no comment

Side note: Manga is just a Japanese way of saying "Graphic Novel" or close to it.


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2:07 pm, Jun 16 2015
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I've discovered lots of good novels thanks to your website and I can keep track of them easily thanks to you. There's a fair chance I wouldn't have discovered them if not for your site, comments and genre tags. Having all of them in the same site is not a problem for a user if one keeps track with the lists feature.

I find it a shame to just eliminate them because they have not a manga related (who knows, they may get it in the future) and, as others suggest, I find that some kind of filtering for novel and other "hated" formats would be better.

Or just make another separated releases section for novels and doujinshi (for whatever you don't consider your main focus), instead of banning them.

Summarising, I'd like to be able to keep finding out new translated novels thanks to you and keep track of them. Just use some kind of filtering option please.

Last edited by ebisu at 3:07 pm, Jun 16 2015

Post #667222 - Reply to (#667219) by aznluck
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3:03 pm, Jun 16 2015
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You should differentiate between Printed Novels and Web Novels since a lot of the comments here only voiced their support to have printed novels stay and thus removing the Web Novels whom are releasing a chapter every other day.

A lot of the Web Novels are Chinese and are never going to become a Light Novel.

Post #667223 - Reply to (#667202) by cclark777
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3:09 pm, Jun 16 2015
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Would be best to remove all WNs and only allow LNs on the site is the best solution, it's the WNs that are clogging up the release list as they have 100s of chapters that only takes a few hours to translate.

Post #667224 - Reply to (#667223) by Indekkusu
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3:33 pm, Jun 16 2015
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I guess I would be able to agree with that, however I would say to make an exception only to the web novels that have been taken on as light novels, like The Rising of the Shield Hero, Mushoku Tensei, Gun-otaku, etc. As people who translate it tend to use the web novel version though there are some who use the LN like the group Unlimited Novel Failures with Risou no Himo Seikatsu.

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3:35 pm, Jun 16 2015
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Please keep Light Novels!! I love coming here to find new LN to read. I actually have any easier time finding the right LN than I do Manga but that is probably just me.

Post #667226 - Reply to (#667202) by cclark777
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3:41 pm, Jun 16 2015
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since removing all LN from the website will cause some works to be lost forever.....


Huh? What?
First off, why should we care? This is a site for MANGA.
Second off, why would it be lost? This site is an INFORMATION site. They aren't going to delete the work itself-.-
Third off, for these kind of things, you have to draw a clear line or you get flooded with requests like "XY should be an exception, too!" and it won't get you nowhere.

A site for manga is meant for manga. Novels (both web or published) aren't manga. Even if they inspired a manga adaption, this is not a place for them!

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4:49 pm, Jun 16 2015
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I'm with the those that support a more robust filtering option for the release pages. My main motivation on this is because of novels and partly also because of webtoons/webcomics.

Firstly in regards to novels (both light and web versions) - a lot of these become the source material for mangas that eventually get released. Case in point: Overlord, The New Gate, Death March, Battle Through The Heavens, Coiling Dragon, Doulou Dalu, Legendary Moonlight Sculptor... and the list goes on and on.

My point is that if you're only going to include novels that are directly related to existing manga (et al), logic would then dictate that you would have to include those novel releases once manga versions of those works become available. If the main concern is that novel releases clutter up the release page and given my point above, the whole thing becomes a moot point and you're not really addressing the problem, but rather just delaying it. It would be better if you just implement a filter system earlier rather than later.

Second is web toons/comics. It's a personal opinion but it seems an increasing number of artists (both Japanese and Korean) are releasing their work independently rather than through publishers. To not list these stories, which could be diamonds in the rough, is a far greater loss for the community than having a cluttered release page. Thus filters would be the most viable solution.

No opinions on artbooks, doujinshi etc.

Last edited by Yumcha at 5:05 pm, Jun 16 2015

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Post #667228 - Reply to (#667226) by PROzess
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5:00 pm, Jun 16 2015
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Quote from PROzess
First off, why should we care? This is a site for MANGA.
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Even if they inspired a manga adaption, this is not a place for them!


That's your opinion, but obviously quite a few people disagree with you. Don't state your opinion like its a fact!


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Post #667229 - Reply to (#667226) by PROzess
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5:22 pm, Jun 16 2015
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You missed the (Probably)at the end which means that I'm not sure but it is a possibility for the really old LN and I mean the knowledge that it is out there not the work it's self.

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A site for manga is meant for manga. Novels (both web or published) aren't manga. Even if they inspired a manga adaption, this is not a place for them!

Then why have LN been included for over 9 years? It's not like they just started including them. And if you say MANGA only then you think Manhua/Manhwa/web comics/ 4-koma should be removed from the site since they are not listed as MANGA?

Think about it, this site was originally made to track manga but has since evolved to include other Japanese and Asian written works.

Post #667232 - Reply to (#667229) by cclark777
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5:45 pm, Jun 16 2015
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Manhua and Manwha are the same medium as manga. A novel is something different entirely.
Sure, 9 years ago hardly a soul bothered for novels, so there was no need to make a distinction, but these days, web novels practically FLOOD the release page. It's time to put an end to this.
Novels got fairly popular, so it should be easy to start up an independent update site.

In the end, you guys are just spoiled. You have everything in one place and don't want to lift a finger for your hobby. Mangaupdates started has an update site for MANGA, if not there was no need to separate it from Bakaupdates. The site lost its way a bit over the years, but now it's time to go back to the roots.

The removal of novels here and the launch of separate site elsewhere will be beneficial for both sides.
Think of the people, too, who don't read novels. It's pretty annoying to see only novels in the charts these days.

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Post #667233 - Reply to (#667227) by Yumcha
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For that reason, all novels should just be removed indiscriminately.

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Post #667234 - Reply to (#667232) by PROzess
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5:52 pm, Jun 16 2015
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Quote from PROzess
Manhua and Manwha are the same medium as manga. A novel is something different entirely.

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You have everything in one place and don't want to lift a finger for your hobby. Mangaupdates started has an update site for MANGA, if not there was no need to separate it from Bakaupdates.


Again, you're just posting your opinion and acting like its a fact...

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Post #667235 - Reply to (#667232) by PROzess
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6:11 pm, Jun 16 2015
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Manhua and Manwha are the same medium as manga. A novel is something different entirely.

Ok, sorry I thought you were just pure manga.

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Sure, 9 years ago hardly a soul bothered for novels, so there was no need to make a distinction, but these days, web novels practically FLOOD the release page. It's time to put an end to this.


I do agree that web novels have been flooding the release page, which is why I said that they should put a stop to new ones being added.

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Novels got fairly popular, so it should be easy to start up an independent update site.


I agree with this too, but a new site will take time and not happen overnight.

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Think of the people, too, who don't read novels. It's pretty annoying to see only novels in the charts these days.


I am trying to I am one of the ones that mainly reads manga and only about 10 LN/WN, hell I own 2200 print manga.

Post #667236 - Reply to (#667187) by licorice
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6:28 pm, Jun 16 2015
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And I agree with everything. Pixiv is self-published, not officially, so those doujins should not be accepted.

All doujins are, by definition, self-published. In any case, I don't see how the proposed policy will make it easier for release mods to deal with doujin releases that are submitted to MU. Previously, you needed to check whether the release exists and verify that the title & group information are correct. Now, when someone submits a release, you'll not only need to check whether it exists and the information is correct, but whether the doujin is (or was) actively available for sale.

If the release post for a given doujin doesn't go into detail as to where the doujin came from, that will either lead to more time researching the release (for a diligent mod), or more valid releases being erroneously rejected (in the case of a not so diligent mod).

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