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"The burden of proof lies on you for assuming that mangafox and the like hurt your group in the first place. So bring it on, I'm waiting." -- the burden of proof lies on both of us since we both put forward our hypotheses. You get to go first since you made your claim first. It's only fair, don't you think so? So the choice is yours, will you attempt to prove your claim or will you concede that you are unable to prove it? For my part, I will prove my hypothesis regardless of what you choose. Just trying to get you to be honest first.
That'd go against my manners. You know what they say: Ladies first
Anyway, you want me to be honest? Alright. I have no reason to believe you have any proof of your claims, so why should I put in the effort to compile the necessary data for a solid argument when you're most likely just talking out of your ass anyway? So yeah, either put forward your arguments and I will reply, or don't. It's your decision
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because it would be way too offtopic here. It was a very simple request. Surely you don't need to get this defensive.
Doesn't change the fact that I'm not interested in discussing this matter with the wider MU userbase. If this is too off-topic for this thread, then we can continue it per pm though.
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"It's called pragmatic thinking" -- no one said chimps aren't pragmatic. They see someone dangle a piece of candy in front of them, they go for it. It is also pragmatic to try to hustle others by reselling digital raws to suckers or to try to scanlate for money. There are pragmatic calculations behind every scumbag action. Who's ever heard of someone conning people out of money for idealistic reasons? Nevertheless, it's not something most people would stoop to, considering the measly sums involved in your case. Such is the human nature. (See, I actually have a lot of faith in humanity.)
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Are ad hominems all you have to offer? How about answering my questions instead?
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What good does it do for you to reject the offer?
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Besides, you didn't even have to do anything to deserve the money, and yet you want to complain that someone else gets more than you? For what's basically a free handout?
Besides, it's funny that you basically simultaneously accuse me of being greedy for taking money for translating, and not greedy enough for not getting mad at someone else receiving more money than me in your thought experiment. So which is it?
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They make money of our work. Scanlation is from fans for fans and mainly tolerated by publishers, because we keep it non-commercial. But when the trend shifts towards money-making, like it currently is, the at some point, publisher will bring down the hammer and ruin the community for all of us.
Furthermore, they often resize and place watermarks on it. The resize ruins all the work of the cleaners and the watermarks distorts the perceiption of the readers, who start to believe that online readers are actually providing the scans, interferring with possible future new scanlators.
Scanlation is tolerated because the economic damage publishers suffer from it is negligible. Manga in Japanese are intended for the Japanese market only, and the number of Japanese who know English well enough to read the scanlations for free is tiny. In turn, foreigners generally don't know Japanese and thus wouldn't buy the tankoubons anyway. So there isn't much incentive for publishers to fight scanlation, whether they are hosted on mangafox or on a private website.
The watermarks, resizing, and claiming of ownership are of course disheartening. But still, many people simply would've never found your scanlation if it wasn't for mangafox and the like.
If you compare the viewership of the websites of popular scanlation groups, batoto, and mangafox, you will find that the latter is far more popular. What makes you think that all those people visiting mangafox would suddenly visit your website or batoto if mangafox closed down? It's unfortunate, but for many people this is just too bothersome. People in general are lazy, that's just how it is.
Still, even these people will take joy in your scans. Doesn't it make you feel good about yourself too, to know you brought them a little bit of happiness? Even if they don't know you or how much work you put into it, even if someone else exploits your work for money, that doesn't change the fact that it was you who did it. Isn't that reason enough to stop caring whether mangafox rips you off or not?
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