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The important thing is the journey, not the ending.


Trudat, it's similar to Zen, the journey itself is a purpose. This is why One Piece is unique IMO. Almost all mangas out there end up with the main character prevailing to the end, that's nothing new. Seems like Oda himself is aware of this, and decided to make the story focus on the journey itself to add the actual fun. If you look at Bleach, there's no process of maturing and growing up (not literally, ok?). I'm not sure if I'm making sense to everyone else here. (Oh and in case some of you forgot, Luffy got totally pwned by Aokiji and never managed to defeat him so far).

Second, the story focuses on teamwork and friendship over the cliche old love crap taht plagues 99.99% mangas out there. Try saying taht about Naruto and Bleach. Naruto is a close second tho, since teamwork and friendship used to be a big part of the story (but it keeps diminishing lately). Subplots and relationships between characters are eplained more thoroughly than in the other 2 mangas.

Some may think the powers of the characters are strange/weird or even ridiculous. I know cus that's what I thought of them at first (what kind of ghei *** power is that?). But later on I realized that's whats making it unique. Well, personal flavor I guess.

There are complaints though. The drawings can get too complex at times, making it hard to see the fights in progress. Character designs can range from nice and creative to "overly" creative (read: dumb). Naruto wins over One piece in this area. Also, Naruto is about on par in describing characters emotions.

Bleach, I like the fights and the characters, theyre cool. But that's about it. The plot is getting overly extended, progress is too slow, and Kubo keeps introducing new characters with no actual reason. Plot makes no sense so many times (think about this: espadas were a royal pain to the captains early in the story, but in hueco mundo, for no obvious reason, they become so weak the captains can beat them almost too easily). Blah.

No offense to those who prefer the other 2, this is just my 2 cents

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The important thing is the journey, not the ending.

No, the ending is important. A good story (manga, book, movie, whatever) is composed of Introduction, development and conclusion.
If you have a "journey" without an "ending", you have a pointless story, like Inuyasha and Pokemon, where the story is unlinked to any conclusion. A good storyline is one slowly going towards a conclusion.

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The fights in Naruto are so..."Meh"
It's always the same. Jumping around, dodging blows...until someone does a big move...then the other guy pulls a bigger move and wins. Predictable.

Not quite, Naruto manga is too impredictable, some times in a bad way. Who expeceted Killer Bee to live this long? Who expected the end of Pain batlle? Who expected to see Zabusa cry? Who predicted the real reason behind the uchiha slaughter?
I am sure you can say: "I did" or "X did", but 90% of fans are usually surprised, some times in a bad way.

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What you get in One Piece is a constant string "David and Goliath" battles.

Now OP is predictable, some times in a good way. Luffy always takes down the strongest pirate crew enemy, Zoro the second, Sanji the third and so on. They always save whoever they are trying to save.
In OP things usually end up as planned, some times something strange happens, but the end result is always what the crew hoped for. Nothing Luffy does seem to have any negative effect on the world they live. Everything is happy.


Actually OP and Naruto are completely different shows that shouldnt be compared:
- if you like drama and darker storyline, you will like Naruto more.
- if you like silly comedy and a light happy storyline, you will like OP more.
In the end is all a matter of taste, nothing more.

Post #353636 - Reply to (#351688) by Rezard
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Quote from Scyfon
The important thing is the journey, not the ending.

No, the ending is important. A good story (manga, book, movie, whatever) is composed of Introduction, development and conclusion.
If you have a "journey" without an "ending", you have a pointless story, like Inuyasha and Pokemon, where the story is unlinked to any conclusion. A good storyline is one slowly going towards a conclusion.

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The fights in Naruto are so..."Meh"
It's always the same. Jumping around, dodging blows...until someone does a big move...then the other guy pulls a bigger move and wins. Predictable.

Not quite, Naruto manga is too impredictable, some times in a bad way. Who expeceted Killer Bee to live this long? Who expected the end of Pain batlle? Who expected to see Zabusa cry? Who predicted the real reason behind the uchiha slaughter?
I am sure you can say: "I did" or "X did", but 90% of fans are usually surprised, some times in a bad way.
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Quote from Scyfon
What you get in One Piece is a constant string "David and Goliath" battles.

Now OP is predictable, some times in a good way. Luffy always takes down the strongest pirate crew enemy, Zoro the second, Sanji the third and so on. They always save whoever they are trying to save.
In OP things usually end up as planned, some times something strange happens, but the end result is always what the crew hoped for. Nothing Luffy does seem to have any negative effect on the world they live. Everything is happy.


Actually OP and Naruto are completely different shows that shouldnt be compared:
- if you like drama and darker storyline, you will like Naruto more.
- if you like silly comedy and a light happy storyline, you will like OP more.
In the end is all a matter of taste, nothing more.


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A good story (manga, book, movie, whatever) is composed of Introduction, development and conclusion.
this is what one piece is doing


I have been able to predict the out come of ALL of the out comes in (SASUKE) with 100% accuracy since Sasuke Vs Deidara (idk why my first statements are being put into your post)


Who expeceted Killer Bee to live this long? Who expected the end of Pain batlle? Who expected to see Zabusa cry? Who predicted the real reason behind the uchiha slaughter?
I am sure you can say: "I did" or "X did", but 90% of fans are usually surprised, some times in a bad way.[quote]

The first chapter i saw Sasuke losing to Killer Bee i had a feeling he was gonna be staying around when it was over.
Naruto beating the pains, Naruto Lecturing Negato Konoha being revived? I knew Knew Naruto was gonna win as soon as the The last pains clocked got damaged. Nagato or Negato being lectured to death was pretty unpredictable but that wasn't a fight. Do you really think Kishimoto would kill off like 60% of konoha?
Zabusa Crying wasn't a fight either.

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Now OP is predictable, some times in a good way. Luffy always takes down the strongest pirate crew enemy, Zoro the second, Sanji the third and so on. They always save whoever they are trying to save.
In OP things usually end up as planned, some times something strange happens, but the end result is always what the crew hoped for. Nothing Luffy does seem to have any negative effect on the world they live. Everything is happy


It took 3 trys b4 Luffy beat Crocodile
Luffy Fighting
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Ussop
I didn't see that coming
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Black Beard Taking out Ace For position in the Shichibukai just to break into impel down to get a new crew mate
your telling me you was able to predict this whole layout no problem.
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Gold/ Gol.D Roger Being Aces Father
though this isn't a fight
It took Luffy 2 to beat Lucchi
Luffy punched a Tenryubito and got his His crew to get separated. this was indeed one of the most happy moments in one piece. Don't forget his fight with Ussop and Having to burn and sink the marry go.

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Actually OP and Naruto are completely different shows that shouldnt be compared:
- if you like drama and darker storyline, you will like Naruto more.
- if you like silly comedy and a light happy storyline, you will like OP more.
In the end is all a matter of taste, nothing more.


Theres drama in one piece and even some dark elements but you just happend to miss it. throughout the 500+chapters or you just read a few chapters and watched some episodes and came up with this. one piece can be happy and silly for the most part but its not that way 100% of the time


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I think all shounen manga and anime are predictable but predictability isn't inherently bad. OP is quite different from Naruto and bleach, OP has much more levity and all round silliness and its just as predictable as the other 2. I always thought that Gold D was Ace's father I was surprised however that he wasn't Luffy's. As far as OP's big fights goes the are more about rounds and predicting them boils down to how many rounds will it take for Luffy to win, not a bad thing but it gets just as annoying as big fights in the other 2 that drag on and on and on OP's just has a lot more filler.

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I think all shounen manga and anime are predictable but predictability isn't inherently bad. OP is quite different from Naruto and bleach, OP has much more levity and all round silliness and its just as predictable as the other 2. I always thought that Gold D was Ace's father I was surprised however that he wasn't Luffy's. As far as OP's big fights goes the are more about rounds and predicting them boils down to how many rounds will it take for Luffy to win, not a bad thing but it gets just as annoying as big fights in the other 2 that drag on and on and on OP's just has a lot more filler.


One Piece Has WAY LESS fillers than bleach and naruto.
Naruto b4 part 2 had about 80 filler episodes alone
i dont watch bleach but i know the bount arc went on for really long and he cuts to fillers in between episodes


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i wasn't referring to actual story fillers as in filler arcs I'm talking about the (1 min) break between rounds. OP fillers are not only shorter than Bleach and Naruto but are also more fun to watch although naruto shippuden fillers are getting better as they find was to ad possible canon but missing parts withing filler arcs which makes me actually check out each ark for anything interesting rather than waiting till hear their back on plot.

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i wasn't referring to actual story fillers as in filler arcs I'm talking about the (1 min) break between rounds. OP fillers are not only shorter than Bleach and Naruto but are also more fun to watch although naruto shippuden fillers are getting better as they find was to ad possible canon but missing parts withing filler arcs which makes me actually check out each ark for anything interesting rather than waiting till hear their back on plot.


that clear things up lol.


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@Rezard
Just one thing:
You can't have a good ending without a good journey.
You can have a good journey but have a crap ending, but you can't have a good ending with a crap jouney (other than relief, perhaps)

Therefore, Journey > Ending

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once piece > Naruto
because straw hat just want to be the pirate king simply... easy win
if naruto stick with how it should of went the exam to qualify the promotion = win but no it just had to dive into more of a ridiculous event to explain the missing parts
bleach is just crap =.= it doesn't make sense and i hate it so much to rip off the "Hyper Chamber" or w/e it call to power up everyone =.= was cool back then should only be cool at that moment ...
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the secret recipe is pirates and great sense of humour. Pirates of Carribean anyone?

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One Piece would always trump Naruto for one reason alone. They don't have Cheatinggan. At first it was a cool ability but it got more and more ridiculous later in the manga. I mean come on, control Kyuubi? Unbreakable genjutsu? Can predict a few seconds into the future to battle other opponents? Break through any regular Genjutsu? Has a reality altering ability? Has a undying black flame? Can copy nearly any technique? The list goes on and on and it never really stops. I have no idea how anyone could seriously defeat Sharingan one-on-one if they have equal skill level and physical level there is no way anyone can beat Sharingan one-on-one.

One Piece... wow. They might have strong characters but they are not undefeatable. Look at Gol D. Rogers he dies by sickness. The Logia type powers? The answer to that is Haki. Out of the Four Emperors Shanks is just a vanilla human with Haki that can take out Admirals. Rayliegh is also just a vanilla human and he is the right hand man of Roger not a fruit user.

Bleach.... Bleach reached a realm no one can understand. The battles are ridiculous and the fact that Bleach has a crazy amount of usuless characters also make it boring. This manga is about Ichigo not everyone else other than Ichigo. They have to do flashbacks for everyone and I mean EVERYONE. there is no need to do so, unless they are main characters or main villians. The powers are also just stupid. The Espada that is death should be able to beat Aizen without any trouble what so ever. I think it is BS that the death guy lost in anyway.

Well the end result would be One Piece>Naruto>Bleach

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still those three belongs in the same group laugh

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I definitely agree with everyone who thinks One Piece is better than Naruto & Bleach. Need evidence? Just read all 3 bigrazz

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I do like One Piece better. But i have to say, that one fight with Rock Lee vs Gaara was much more interesting than any fights in one piece (in my opinion).

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THE PURE ULTIMATE UTMOST SUPER DUPER
One piece has always been this adventurous exploration situation
where as Naruto/bleach seem to jump the plot to so many direction it became all bull shit .

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