If I read it right then yes, it would seem so. The reason why Syaoran is blind in one eye is because his magic powers have been halved, so each Syaoran is blind in a different eye. From the beggining, Sayoran was blind in his right eye. That Syaoran was created for the purpose of collecting Sakura's feathers for Clow Reed as I said above and then the original was sealed away so that he would not interfere. Then one of Clow Reeds assistants set the original free and thus the two Syaorans meet.

ok, now i understand... but that's incredibly sad! I mean, the real Sayoran missed his whole life and when he finally gets back, its too late, because Sakura fell in love with the clone and nobody wants him...

Hmm, there's just one thing i still don't get... the clone still IS (half of) sayoran, right? So when he grew up and through the journey and all, he didn't act like the real one, but was him,right? So why does he become all bad and meany in the end and changes to someone else??

The reason that clone Syaoran acts normal in the beggining is because he has the original Syaorans memories. He starts to go bad because he was Clow Reed's creaton and was commanded to turn against all of his former comerades. And also the Sakura that is mentioned throughout the story is a clone too so right after the princess Sakura gains her wings, she is substituted with a clone for the rest of the adventure and so right now the real Syaoran is trying to rescue the real and clone Sakura's from Clow Reed.

whaaa OMG no way, sakura is a clone too??!! ahhh *brain explodes* well, thank you for your help, nanashi, but alright now im really confused... lol
im only at volume 18 yet, so when ive finished this manga ill be like this -->
damn you clamp!

So far what i understand is the following:

1.- The "Shaoran" from volume 1 until tokyo ark is one and the same, the cloned one. He is the one that grows up with Sakura since they were kids. It was the clone (refered from now on as C_Syaoran to differ from "real Syaoran= R_Syaoran) the one adopted by his "dad" (sakura's dad character in card captor).

2.- Real Syaoran was ALWAYS since he was a "kid" been in Fei-Wong's custody, how he capture him? No idea. Thus he had never made any real memories with Sakura, or memories at all actually. Everything in the story so far has been a realtionship between C_Syaoran, Sakura and C_Sakura.

3.- My base for "2" is the following:
- R_Syaoran is shown "very young" and still with his both eyes don't remember the manga chapter, but refer to "Tokyo Revelations OVA2" 11:22 anime. And how he was focedly made prisoner and cloned. And in with his last strenght, R_Syaoran attached his eye to C_Syaoran along with half his heart, but NO memories nor anything like that, in order to make this "Robot copy" a "More human copy", and hopefully "Robot" C_Syaoran would eventually develop his own heart when R_Syaoran's half returned to him.

- "Tokyo Revelations OVA2" 12:30 anime also shows how the copy was the one adopted by his father and eventually meets R_Sakura, thus their story begins.

- In some chaprter "kid R_Sakura" asks to a "cold eyes C_syaoran kid" why he was sad or something like that, and if he remembered something from his past, to which he answers he doesn't. Thus we can differ he has zero memories, like a brand new HD" however still carries his yet "untriggered orders" gather the feathers. After that is shown how through R_Sakura kindness, C_syaoran's heart made mostly out of R_Syaoran's half and a little bit of C_syaoran's new born heart starts to beat.

4.- Based on this, R_Sakura AND C_Sakura should be "in love" with C_Syaoran (yes he should get both girls), and with reason:
- All memories, events and stuff pre-ruins events are between R_Sakura and C_Syaoran, and it's shown from first chapters that R_Sakura was in love with him already. Though it's debateable if he was acting guided by his own "little heart" or by "R_Syaoran's half" the fact remains that it was C_Syaoran the one present and the one making friends with R_Sakura.

- All memories, events and stuff post-ruins and pre_Tokyo events are between C_Sakura and C_Syaoran. C_Sakura didn't carry any memories at all, thus she fell in love with C_Syaoran with the time without beaing biased by anything.

- As pointed above it's debateable if C_Syaoran was acting ALL_ALONG guided by his own "little heart" or by "R_Syaoran's half", in my opinion it was HIS own heart, biased of course by R_Syaoran half.

5.- As an additional fact, R_Syaoran should have *no right* to be loved nor by C_Sakura nor by R_Sakura, since R_Syaoran never did anything for their sake. The reason he gave half his heart to C_Syaoran was only to mess up Fei-Wong's plan, and had nothing to do with Sakura, i mean, c'mon they didn't even known each other. Futhermore, the fact R_Syaoran gave the half hear to C_Syaoran doesn't mean R_Syaoran was like a puppetmaster nor he was controling C_Syaoran in anyway, in my opinion it was like a guide, something to bias a little the judgment from the "Robot" and hopefully mess with his original program, but in the end, it was the Robot making his own desicion.

6.- Now, on "why he goes badass-bad". C_syaoran's heart was still on development within himself, and like a baby, "feeding itself from R_Syaoran's heart-mom". Thus, when its mom is forceful seized because the famous "seal" is broken, C_Syaoran's own heart locks itself and C_syaoran returns to "robot mode". Thus the events are now unfold as they are.

7.- Is shown how seeing C_Sakura dying makes C_Syaoran scream, thus i differ it triggers his own heart, and next time we see him C_Syaoran will be as kickass as ever but in a non-so-Robot mode.

Finally. I hate how CLAMP wants to show and make people think R_Syaoran is the good guy, "the real hero", the one that will end up with the girl, and at same time, make people think C_Syaoran is just a damn worthless copy.
- R_Syaoran was sleeping all the time, watching through C_Syaoran's eye the events and memories with R_Sakura and C_Sakura, thus it's HIM falling in love and the one chasing after the Sakuras, and no Sakura loving him.
- C_Syaoran should be the real hero, even after becoming the bad guy he is right now. I mean, this is starting to look more and more like Gantz right now, at least in my opinion.

Conclusion: R_Syaoran did nothing until Tokyo ark, and after that has been only some emo leeching from C_Syaoran's memories he has been watching as if he was watching TV and now he wanna be the new hero <_< .
C_Syaoran for the win!!!







Last edited by Lower at 3:38 pm, Mar 19 2008

Well, at first i have to thank you a thousand times for this huge explanation!!! THANK YOUU!! Its so great!!! *hugs* it helped me alot!

But i disagree, that R_sayoran is kinda wannabe-hero and wothless.. i do feel really sorry for him, since the clone lived the life he should have lived! And now, nobody really knows and loves him, though he knows them all because he watched the journey and c_sayorans life before.... come on isnt that awful? I think he fell in love with sakura as well, but sakura can't love him because she's in love with c_sayoran. I agree, that c_sayoran is the real hero of the story because he's the one we experienced all the adventures with and began to develop a liking. we, the readers, dont know r_sayoran as well.... But actually i dont want any of the both to get together with sakura. And i wouldn't like two couples of sayoran and sakuras neither.. o__o"

the best would be if the sakuras and the sayorans kinda melt together!! Then it's all right! I so hope, it will end like this!! T__T

About the first thing, i disagree too, XD. Ok, yeah, poor thing, he was trapped for such a long time and "his life was stolen". Nonetheless, the clone Did Not lived the life "R_Syaoran was supposed to". Remember that all the events of "boy meets girl" and its consequences are build on Fei-Wong's plan. What this means? Should Fei-Wong's plan be different and never trapping R_Syaoran in first place, the highly likely posibility lies that R_Syaoran never meets R_Sakura. After all, it's never made clear if R_Syaoran is actually from Clown Country in fist place.
Of course, there is also the fact that R_Syaoran is a Clown's descendant, thus he Might be from Clown Country.
Yet, this opens a new potential "problem": Sakura is a Clown's descendant, so is R_Syaoran, thus R_Syaoran loving R_Sakura = Some kind of incest O.o!!! XDDD . Like they are maybe half-slibings, but this posibility also brings a debate on the word "descendant", so i won't explore that.
In short, it's not the person called "Syaoran" the one that's supposed to meet Sakura and live the events, only the clone was supposed to, in my opinion that is.

About the second thing, don't worry, i'm almost sure that the somewhere near the ending will be something like C_Syaoran dies in a heroic-dramatic way saving his stupid original and then he is drawn with a dead C_Sakura, and in the final chapter the clones give their blessing their original couple in a corny breeze-like wind.... waghh sucks!!!

Oh, and something to add. C_Syaoran is Not bad or evil, he is just a "machine" a "robot" with clear program installed. He actually never goes against his companions, It's them the ones "in the way". As i said, C_Syaoran has a clear, few lines, easy to read, "pretty" program, and he repeats it over and over: "Gather the feathers, 'without fail', 'no matter what', etc" the second sentence depends on translator. Thus, if his "friends" or you name it, stands in his way to complete his mission, eliminate the obstacle, simple as that.
Why would that be evil? It's like if someone puts his finger in a blender, and thus lose it, and then he claims "Blender is evilzz".


Last edited by Lower at 12:14 pm, Mar 22 2008

uhh.. yeah i totally understand what you mean... and about the end .... omg nouuu this could really happen T_____T i'd hate it!! so our main characters would die and two people we, the readers, dont know and who dont know each other and might be some kinda SILBINGS (XD) are our happy end - couple?? Agh!! That'd be so like one of CLAMP's mean endings... damn it!!
but well, you never know what happens when it comes to CLAMP. maybe (!) the clones will melt into their originasls again.. i mean that's the way they were generated weren't they?....this way i wouldn''t have to split my feelings for sayoran and sakura in two... and they wouldnt have to neither.. *sigh* and all the other complicated stuff would be left out as well. XD *crosses fingers* >.<

about the part, c_sayoran not being evil... you're right he cant be blamed for his "program".. but are you sure he is a robot? Isn't he still human but like a marionette or sth?

it better be a happy ending for the c_Syaoran & sakura (either one is fine I guess)

but I'm probably going to be wrong and it wont be a happy ending for one of them ^^
Besides that I wonder what the deal is with the time zone they're in, guess we'll find out soon enough

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If anyone were to not have a happy ending, for me, it'd be Sayoran and/or Sakura. Sakura will never regain her memories, and Sayoran has to live with it. Perhaps, Sayoran will give his life for her memories, or something like that.

Well, with the word "robot" i meant a "mechanically precise 'modus operandi'" being. Of course he is not a "robot" understood as something made out of metal or such. I mean, in tokyo arc he bled as crazy giving him that "badass look" right? ^-^



If we "think" as what i consider is "normal people", the only one getting a "sad ending" should be of course the villain, Fei-Wong.
Now, we're not dealing with "normal people" here, but with CLAMP, thus everything can happen, including "mean endings". <_< .
Now, should we debate on what is a "happy ending"? In CLAMP's term might be happy if the clones die giving their blessings to originals. So the clones are happy "afterlife" and originals are happy "onlife". Now *I* would say: "That sucks!" . But, Everything here is mere speculation, thus is useless <_<.

considering the real syaoran isn't the one sakura "loves" I dont think it'll happen the real ones & the cloned ones hook up.

speculating about endings is always fun imo anyway.
I'd love to see an ending that makes everyone happy, but just like every other manga that never happens now does it...

Probably gonna be a bad ending for the people you just dont want a bad ending for just so the writers can mess with your head.

I just hope they make an ending like CCS, I was pleased with that one ^^

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I just want to point a little detail that is making me sooo fkin mad about clamp right now. Indeed, R_Syaoran is not the one loved by R_Sakura, yet, those damn clamp are slowly making it seem like so.
Proof? Remember on the chap where C_sakura dies. C_Sakura told R_Syaoran :
- " I'm not your Sakura...", -"Your Sakura is waiting (you)"...
WHAT!!!? "His" Sakura!? wtf!, he has NOT Sakura. <___< Yet, slowly but surely, clamp IS and WILL do it seem like so, when (speculating) they find R_Sakura she'll be mysteriously "in love" with R_Syaoran and awkward with C_Syaoran.
Wagggghh!

Indeed, i really was pleased with CCS ending, that was a Happy Ending in "normal people terms" but i'm 99.9999% sure, TRC won't have such a happy ending.
You better be on that 0.0001% damn Clamp!!

I'm rooting for the C_shaoran.. Yeah i know he's been trapped all along with fei-wong, i also pity him for that. but it still doesn;t change the fact that he do nothing!! All the credit must go to thr c_shaoran.. He's the one being with sakura since child and made many memories with her!! C-Shaoran is the one who sacrifice everything to help sakura and the R_shaoran is just appear out of nowhere and continuing what c_sahoran doing.. And wtf with the "your sakura" R_sakura is c_shaoran's !!!!!! And in the end of ch 181 the r_shaoran had a flashback memories about sakura, it's c_shaoran memories not him!!
And i agrre that CLAMP mostly will make the r_shaoran a hero and make c_shaoran disappear with a tragedy... I won't accept it!!!

well it looks like r!sakura is gone, and has been for a while now so foursome is definitely not an option

except if kinomoto shows up but i can bet that she'll bring li with her if she does

the one thing i'm confused about are fay and kurogane
are they or are they not supposed to be in love?
i mean even in ccs we knew touya and yukito are in love because it was stated
here it seems to swing that way ... and then tomoyo shows up. what's up with that?