So, what do you think about it? I'm kind of interested in it, but our news didn't really cover it so well.

Is it also true that the American news is portraying the Russians as the "bad guys"?

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America always do that. According to news, it just seems like Russians is just suppressing some internal conflicts. I couldn't care less, it's really none of our business.

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It's all I've been watching lately (not the Olympics).... that Rice woman is currently speaking about the latest cease-fire agreement on TV.

I may be wrong on this.... but I think it goes way beyond simple sovereignty, protecting personal interest and territorial conflict.... but I can't prove whether it's about economics, oil or gas.



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as far as i can tell georgia exercised its military to prevent a secession's of that part in the north that identifies with russia, and in response russia used its military in support of that parts secession.but they've now sorta over done it and invaded georgia proper, so im not sure what theyre up to.

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apparently theres an almost annual georgian and south ossetian skirmishing.
Georgia just got fed up with it and invaded. Which was right into moscows plan. As recognizes south ossetia and sponsors it. Also, most south ossetians have russian passports, giving russia an almost legitimate excuse to push back. Georgia planned on having the U.S. support, but the world can't lift a finger because russia controls alot of the energy going into europe.
russia's attack set georgias economy back like 5 years. So it was basically a warning that the western umbrella of protection is ineffective to some of its neighboring nations trying to go for Nato

lol, atlanta?

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That pic is making mockery of the President's intelligence. As he can't differentiate between the US state Georgia and the country Georgia. If that's what you meant.

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well basically south ossetia declared there independence during the 90's and fought a war to break off from georgia. but instead of recognizing there independence (like we did with kosovo) we are on the side of the geogians. This is because the bush administration wants to put geogia into nato so that they can put in the anti russian missile defence system there (like they are doing in poland and trying to do in the ukraine). so because of this and the fact that the current regime was put into place by funds supplied by the usa the georgian president Saakashvili thought that when they invaded into south ossetia to reclaim there lost land that the us would follow and help them. no dice. but regardless of if the usa is helping or not russia then went to go and protect the south ossetians (who are ethnically russian and 95% are russian citizens). so when the geogians started killing them russia went in to protect there citizens.

russia doesnt really have a problem with geogia except that they were killing russian citizens in the independant south ossetia and that they are trying to join nato so the us can bomb russia. Thats how i understand it.

It's all based on nationalism. People in Georgia don't want to be a part of Russia, yet ethnic Russians want Georgians in their country and feel that it is a part of Russia. Plus, there are resources in Georgia. I doubt that there is only one reason that this is happening though.

well even though there are many reasons for this conflict, I believe that Russia did the right thing when it sent in the troops. When a leader starts bombing and killing people in his/her country, a democratically elected leader or not, the world should intervene. And south ossetia and abchazia should be allowed to become independent nations or become part of russia, if that is their will. South ossetia voted about that in 2006 and 95% voted to not be a part of Georgia.

Georgia let South Ossetian people go

What there is to say, russians provocated georgians and georgians gave to the russian provocations.
For now russian reasoning sounds really stupid:
1)They went on to protect their citizens in other countries with military force (like Hitler who also exercided the idea that german people must be protected with military force). And instead of evacuating their citizens and saving their lives, they just went inside with their own army and started bombing georgians back, and as georgians were in the city, they bombed the city.
2)Although russians claim that Georgian attack came as suprise, they managed to get through the terrible infrastructure, mountainus region of Caucasus, right through seperatist region in less then 12h since the moment conflict started an army of battle ready, more then hundred, tanks. Technicaly - that's impossible, if only the russians already had the tanks close to borders.

To question why russians did that - through Georgia goes pipe line that links Europe to Kazahstan and makes Europe less reliant to russias gas and oil. Georgia as well for the past years has distanced itself from russia and is trying to become member state of NATO, what russians don't like.



You could have mentioned also this tiny little fact that in 1991 georgians were the majority (about 40%) of the whole population in those regions. But then after the first war, they just left (interesting how people just decide to leave their homes in one day, with russian help of course). So sorry if I don't really consider these votes legitimat.

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@RexIX Your first point about protecting citizens of other countries... Russia soldiers in South Ossetia at the time of Georgia's attack were there as UN sanctioned peace keepers. There soldiers and citizens dieing seems pretty reasonable to respond.

Second point, so what if Russia was prepared, were they meant to nothing when a lot of intelligence pointed to Georgia's inevitable invasion of Ossteia...

Also it was European countries that voted against Georgia's entry into NATO Russia had no say in the matter, they might not have liked it but they couldn't do anything to stop it.