(I'm sure someone's already said this but) Don't like abortion, don't have one. Its that simple.
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If it isn't part of her body then surely she has the right to get rid of the foreign parasite? 
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Maybe, you know, try something different, wait until the kids are like 4 or 5 and see if you like them or not. If you don't like them "abort" them. Cuz really that's the right way to see if your "ready" to be a parent or what not.
And it's not about being responsible or if a condom "oops" broke, is it that childs fault? And if you got raped (which I I wouldn't hope on anybody) is it still that innocent kids fault? and it's not about judging people but it's a body within a body. It's NOT your option. And it's as simple as not having sex, to not get pregnant. Stop with the raging hormones for a little while.
And this is just my opinion. Please don't take offence.
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And it's not about being responsible or if a condom "oops" broke, is it that childs fault? And if you got raped (which I I wouldn't hope on anybody) is it still that innocent kids fault? and it's not about judging people but it's a body within a body. It's NOT your option. And it's as simple as not having sex, to not get pregnant. Stop with the raging hormones for a little while.
And this is just my opinion. Please don't take offence.
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What are you saying?
Are you saying a woman doesn't have the choice?
Are you saying that being raped is her fault so she should have the baby because the baby is the ONLY victim in all this?
And look, if it were as simple as not having sex, well people wouldn't do it but it's not. It's about relationships and feelings and you can't fault a woman for not wanting to have a child grow inside her for the next 9 months. There are tons of bodily changes that people don't discuss because people just focus mainly on the pain at the end. However, the whole process of having a baby is a big deal. If a woman does not think she is up to it or being a person in that child's life for the rest of HER life, I do not fault her one bit. It is a huge commitment and I would rather have people out there have children who really want them and not others who only go into it half-heartedly, or guilted into it by their parents or significant others.
Are you saying a woman doesn't have the choice?
Are you saying that being raped is her fault so she should have the baby because the baby is the ONLY victim in all this?
And look, if it were as simple as not having sex, well people wouldn't do it but it's not. It's about relationships and feelings and you can't fault a woman for not wanting to have a child grow inside her for the next 9 months. There are tons of bodily changes that people don't discuss because people just focus mainly on the pain at the end. However, the whole process of having a baby is a big deal. If a woman does not think she is up to it or being a person in that child's life for the rest of HER life, I do not fault her one bit. It is a huge commitment and I would rather have people out there have children who really want them and not others who only go into it half-heartedly, or guilted into it by their parents or significant others.
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What are you saying?
Are you saying a woman doesn't have the choice?
Are you saying that being raped is her fault so she should have the baby because the baby is the ONLY victim in all this?
And look, if it were as simple as not having sex, well people wouldn't do it but it's not. It's about relationships and feelings and you can't fault a woman for not wanting to have a child grow inside her for the next 9 months. There are tons of bodily changes that people don't discuss because people just focus mainly on the pain at the end. However, the whole process of having a baby is a big deal. If a woman does not think she is up to it or being a person in that child's life for the rest of HER life, I do not fault her one bit. It is a huge commitment and I would rather have people out there have children who really want them and not others who only go into it half-heartedly, or guilted into it by their parents or significant others.
Are you saying a woman doesn't have the choice?
Are you saying that being raped is her fault so she should have the baby because the baby is the ONLY victim in all this?
And look, if it were as simple as not having sex, well people wouldn't do it but it's not. It's about relationships and feelings and you can't fault a woman for not wanting to have a child grow inside her for the next 9 months. There are tons of bodily changes that people don't discuss because people just focus mainly on the pain at the end. However, the whole process of having a baby is a big deal. If a woman does not think she is up to it or being a person in that child's life for the rest of HER life, I do not fault her one bit. It is a huge commitment and I would rather have people out there have children who really want them and not others who only go into it half-heartedly, or guilted into it by their parents or significant others.
Exactly.
Did anyone else also thought about the child and what his/her life would be as he/she is borned into an unwanted world?
Not all of them are going to be jumping with glee. Some might even prefer they've never been born in the first place. At least you could've ended their pain before it started.
...There goes my opinion. (prepares for flames)
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ok.. well.. that wasnt what i meant.. and thats exactly what i was trying not to say.. gezz. im not looking for a fight.
no of course its not her fault.. (and i should have gone ahead and said this) but if you get raped by a man, you have so many hours i believe about a day (24 hours) to go to a doctor and say you know everything and there give you something and you wont get pregnent. but if you wait like a week or so, that child is already forming.... and personly maybe it would be better if that child wasnt brought into the world.. but its still not your BODY thats what im trying to say.
i have my morals.. thats all..
and all about that relationship part and all that.. if shes not up to it.. than its called ADOPTION!!! ever heard of it? she could give the child up for adoption.. but wouldnt you feel the slightest bit guilty for walking into a pharmacy that will KILL that CHILD inside of you?? at all??
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no of course its not her fault.. (and i should have gone ahead and said this) but if you get raped by a man, you have so many hours i believe about a day (24 hours) to go to a doctor and say you know everything and there give you something and you wont get pregnent. but if you wait like a week or so, that child is already forming.... and personly maybe it would be better if that child wasnt brought into the world.. but its still not your BODY thats what im trying to say.
i have my morals.. thats all..
and all about that relationship part and all that.. if shes not up to it.. than its called ADOPTION!!! ever heard of it? she could give the child up for adoption.. but wouldnt you feel the slightest bit guilty for walking into a pharmacy that will KILL that CHILD inside of you?? at all??
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I voted it's a women's choice.
And to the poster above me, if I got pregnant, no I would not feel a bit of guilt getting an abortion. I don't view what is inside a pregnant person as a 'child' but as a zygote, an ugly little lump of growing cells.
As for adoption, do you realise how over populated the world is, how many people we have? We don't need another potential kid that no one wants. There are legitimate reasons for giving up a kid, but having one just to put it up for adoption, with no parents waiting? We wouldn't have so many kids with out homes if so many people would just suck it up and abort.
The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
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And to the poster above me, if I got pregnant, no I would not feel a bit of guilt getting an abortion. I don't view what is inside a pregnant person as a 'child' but as a zygote, an ugly little lump of growing cells.
As for adoption, do you realise how over populated the world is, how many people we have? We don't need another potential kid that no one wants. There are legitimate reasons for giving up a kid, but having one just to put it up for adoption, with no parents waiting? We wouldn't have so many kids with out homes if so many people would just suck it up and abort.
The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
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it should always be the womans choice if she wants to have the baby or not, i don't think its right for anyone to tell someone else what they should and should not do with thier body. legal abortion is always better for everyone because if abortion is made illegal then people will only find other ways to do it at a much greater risk for themselves.
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The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
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I voted it's a women's choice.
And to the poster above me, if I got pregnant, no I would not feel a bit of guilt getting an abortion. I don't view what is inside a pregnant person as a 'child' but as a zygote, an ugly little lump of growing cells.
As for adoption, do you realise how over populated the world is, how many people we have? We don't need another potential kid that no one wants. There are legitimate reasons for giving up a kid, but having one just to put it up for adoption, with no parents waiting? We wouldn't have so many kids with out homes if so many people would just suck it up and abort.
The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
And to the poster above me, if I got pregnant, no I would not feel a bit of guilt getting an abortion. I don't view what is inside a pregnant person as a 'child' but as a zygote, an ugly little lump of growing cells.
As for adoption, do you realise how over populated the world is, how many people we have? We don't need another potential kid that no one wants. There are legitimate reasons for giving up a kid, but having one just to put it up for adoption, with no parents waiting? We wouldn't have so many kids with out homes if so many people would just suck it up and abort.
The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
I think that this is just as silly an argument as those who refuse to give women the right to choose "suck it up and abort" is nowhere close to sound advice. Those kids who don't have homes are probably very glad all the same to be alive, lol. I doubt you would catch them saying "If only the woman who gave birth to me would have aborted then I would not be in this situation..."
Abortion is a big deal, because, aside from a few exceptions the attachment to an unborn child is something that is there. There is something special about a life growing inside of you and even if a person has no intentions to keep the child that attachment is still there. Abortion isn't just about a womans body it inolves a whole lot more and some people are struck by the reality of it afterwards. It can leave an emotional dent. It's this connection that women feel which makes them not want to abort and put a child up for adoption so that they can at least have a shot at a good life.
Just because you don't see a faetus as a child does not mean that is the correct view of it.
Your post is basically having a go at the people who choose life for their child even if that means giving it up for adoption later. Pro-choice does not mean auto abortion it means a woman has the right to choose this is what I believe in, but, I also believe there should be more information about all of the choices available. I'm pro-informed choice. People need to understand what repercussions any decisions they make can have I see people viewing abortion or adoption as an easy way out or keeping the child as the right thing to do... this often does not work out well for them. We need to have more open dialogue about unwanted pregnancies and the repercussions each decision can possibly have. Too many people who find themselves pregnant in bad situations young people especially, bury their heads in the sand.
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Why would a woman want to go through that just to put the child up to adoption afterwards?
You know how many unwanted children are waiting for adoption are there?
Is it better for them to live in a world, knowing their parents didn't want them?
And what kids were you talking about? Waiting for them to grow?...
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Why would a woman want to go through that just to put the child up to adoption afterwards?
You know how many unwanted children are waiting for adoption are there?
Is it better for them to live in a world, knowing their parents didn't want them?
And what kids were you talking about? Waiting for them to grow?...
lol
Talking about trauma...
As the first part of my sig goes, it apllies here as well...
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I voted it's a women's choice.
And to the poster above me, if I got pregnant, no I would not feel a bit of guilt getting an abortion. I don't view what is inside a pregnant person as a 'child' but as a zygote, an ugly little lump of growing cells.
As for adoption, do you realise how over populated the world is, how many people we have? We don't need another potential kid that no one wants. There are legitimate reasons for giving up a kid, but having one just to put it up for adoption, with no parents waiting? We wouldn't have so many kids with out homes if so many people would just suck it up and abort.
The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
And to the poster above me, if I got pregnant, no I would not feel a bit of guilt getting an abortion. I don't view what is inside a pregnant person as a 'child' but as a zygote, an ugly little lump of growing cells.
As for adoption, do you realise how over populated the world is, how many people we have? We don't need another potential kid that no one wants. There are legitimate reasons for giving up a kid, but having one just to put it up for adoption, with no parents waiting? We wouldn't have so many kids with out homes if so many people would just suck it up and abort.
The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
Agree on that.
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ok. first off.. im christian.. so go ahead and shot me down!!!!! and about the vegan remark.. how stupid is that?? animals were put on the planet for us to eat.. they have nutrition in them that all people need.. and if you watch the discovery channel sometimes, you know those shows were the lion is hunting a zebra or something? do you feel sorry for the zebra?? you would wouldnt you?? but if you save the zebras life your taking food from the lion. and in turn you will starve the lion. and if you would dare say "well the lion deserves it" or "why doesnt the lion just eat plants?'' you do understand its part of there insticnt, there nature, its NATURAL for animals, to eat other animals and humans to eat animals.. and DUH its not ok for humans to eat humans. thats called CANABULISM you never see a lion eat another lion..
~ (back on topic)
and once again i'm entitled to my opinion, and you to yours, what makes you right? or me? and and anyway, what do you consider a baby, or living? as soon as it breaths? or opens its eyes? Its killing and if your ok with abortion, then your ok with murder.. i know how cruel that sounds but thats the truth. and you can say that i dont believe in the rights of women, or whatever the hell you want. but my opinion wont change, and nether will yours apparently. and im ok with that.
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and in response to the one above, yeah its painful. so what? your mom had to go through that pain to get you into the world, you dont respect her for that? ~ and there are things more painful than giving birth, especialy thanx to the shots that they give now.
and some people wonder, when is someone gonna cure cancer? or cure aids? or anything else? ever think to how many people died that could have been that doctor to save the world?? MILLIONS. just in America alone. so no, i dont care about the "pain" the women has to go through, because that child could bring miracles that could save many people. and yeah, i understand everyone will die eventually, thats an unspoken truth... but so? does that give you the right to not letting someone live? ever? bleed them from existance, and just erase there soul?
and before you go telling me crap, do you know how doctors kills a fetus?? well let me tell you something interesting: first is the obvious in the first trimesters (for you people that dont know what a trimester is there are three stages 1st is like the 1st three months and so on) where the doctor sticks a needle in the womb and sucks it all out... of couse the head is first, dont want that left beind, ewww.
OH. the second is so fun, makes me want to try (yea right) you need a plier for this one!!! (because the babys bones are already started to form.. (second trimester) where the doc inserts this "plier-like" instrument into the uterus, grabing a leg, or anything he can get really, and with a twisting motion, YANKS it from the babys body!!! bye bye arm or leg!! and this is repeated until all thats left is the spine and head.. guess what they do with the head? bingo, they have to CRUSH it and suck it out.. makes for a great smoothie (i really hope you can tell im sarcastic).. oh and for those that want to know.. they snap the spine.. you really dont think the child cant feel that? i guess not cuz you just killed the poor LIVING thing.
the 3rd way is my favorite.. after most of the pregnancy is completed, and near the last stages, you give birth regularly like any other women would, except this once is different!! instead of head first, the baby comes through feet first... hmmm.. i wonder why.. oh i know.. because as soon as the base of the neck is starting to peep through. the "doctor" sucks the brains out. the skull collapses and the baby is delievered.
there you go folks, three ways to kill a human, only one that isnt apparently living.. you know what i call that? murder, only on the doctors table. so dont spit nonsense about it hurting for that women, im a women too. and i have personal experinces with my stepmom. she got pregnant at 16 and had those choices layed out infront of her.. her choice was to have the child. becasue her view was that she wanted to protect that living cell inside of her.. and my stepmoms life was hard. she had to go through abuse from friends at school, and later from the man that made her pregnant, and to top it off, she was in financial difficulty. but she survived, and had my sister. and i can tell you know, i LOVE my sister. she is by far the sweetest person i know. and i couldnt imagine my life without her. ~
so once again.. this is by far my opinion. but it also truth.. those really are ways to kill an innocent living fetus, or baby or human.. whatever you want to call it. its living. but its your choice to care or not, your choice to commit murder with the doctor..
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and once again i'm entitled to my opinion, and you to yours, what makes you right? or me? and and anyway, what do you consider a baby, or living? as soon as it breaths? or opens its eyes? Its killing and if your ok with abortion, then your ok with murder.. i know how cruel that sounds but thats the truth. and you can say that i dont believe in the rights of women, or whatever the hell you want. but my opinion wont change, and nether will yours apparently. and im ok with that.
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and in response to the one above, yeah its painful. so what? your mom had to go through that pain to get you into the world, you dont respect her for that? ~ and there are things more painful than giving birth, especialy thanx to the shots that they give now.
and some people wonder, when is someone gonna cure cancer? or cure aids? or anything else? ever think to how many people died that could have been that doctor to save the world?? MILLIONS. just in America alone. so no, i dont care about the "pain" the women has to go through, because that child could bring miracles that could save many people. and yeah, i understand everyone will die eventually, thats an unspoken truth... but so? does that give you the right to not letting someone live? ever? bleed them from existance, and just erase there soul?
and before you go telling me crap, do you know how doctors kills a fetus?? well let me tell you something interesting: first is the obvious in the first trimesters (for you people that dont know what a trimester is there are three stages 1st is like the 1st three months and so on) where the doctor sticks a needle in the womb and sucks it all out... of couse the head is first, dont want that left beind, ewww.
OH. the second is so fun, makes me want to try (yea right) you need a plier for this one!!! (because the babys bones are already started to form.. (second trimester) where the doc inserts this "plier-like" instrument into the uterus, grabing a leg, or anything he can get really, and with a twisting motion, YANKS it from the babys body!!! bye bye arm or leg!! and this is repeated until all thats left is the spine and head.. guess what they do with the head? bingo, they have to CRUSH it and suck it out.. makes for a great smoothie (i really hope you can tell im sarcastic).. oh and for those that want to know.. they snap the spine.. you really dont think the child cant feel that? i guess not cuz you just killed the poor LIVING thing.
the 3rd way is my favorite.. after most of the pregnancy is completed, and near the last stages, you give birth regularly like any other women would, except this once is different!! instead of head first, the baby comes through feet first... hmmm.. i wonder why.. oh i know.. because as soon as the base of the neck is starting to peep through. the "doctor" sucks the brains out. the skull collapses and the baby is delievered.
there you go folks, three ways to kill a human, only one that isnt apparently living.. you know what i call that? murder, only on the doctors table. so dont spit nonsense about it hurting for that women, im a women too. and i have personal experinces with my stepmom. she got pregnant at 16 and had those choices layed out infront of her.. her choice was to have the child. becasue her view was that she wanted to protect that living cell inside of her.. and my stepmoms life was hard. she had to go through abuse from friends at school, and later from the man that made her pregnant, and to top it off, she was in financial difficulty. but she survived, and had my sister. and i can tell you know, i LOVE my sister. she is by far the sweetest person i know. and i couldnt imagine my life without her. ~
so once again.. this is by far my opinion. but it also truth.. those really are ways to kill an innocent living fetus, or baby or human.. whatever you want to call it. its living. but its your choice to care or not, your choice to commit murder with the doctor..
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The only way I'll accept a 'But it's a LIFE!' argument from you is if you are a vegan.
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