nope
nothing is perfect!

easiest example, humans. If somebody here honestly says that it is perfection that babies are born with HIV before they had the chance to do anything at all please speak up so i can give you a glare of neverending scorn.

thats all folks

I'm sorry but its not god that gives AIDS, its people who infect it to each other..and they even dont know whom did they get it from so cant be healed..
even if it would be God it would be a present for you if you are optimistic.because when you are sick,or Im sorry but if you live short, you cant do forbidden things and if you believe in God thats a good thing to be happy about.also in Islam if you dont be mad to God while you are sick it may be a pray for you and forgiveness for your sins..isnt it nice??
there is a saying troublesome things first goes to prophets then the others..so when they are not sick the people who love God so much says why there is no trouble around us??did we get worse??

and as perfect I dont mean the things ruined by us people.i mean how great created them.colors, smells, flowers, our systems, if you know a bit biology you will understand what im trying to tell. the sickness all from cause we eat more than enough, dont eat healthy things, breathe dirty air and stressing ourselves much. and if its not cause of these than i may recommend you to look up once again..

sorry because i always believed in them it seems so normal to me thats impossible to not to believe.if I'm harsh or can't tell well I really am sorry

and bully jesus if God doesn't show yourself to you that is for justice..if you see him you had to believe but there are many people who already have a great faith so wouldnt it be bad for them..then there would no meaning of believing. i mean it would be like an exam that even if you give your papaer empty you would get %100 wouldnt it be injustice for the ones who really studied much??

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That would explain why Spanish (Christian) Missionaries would have armies go out and kill hundreds upon thousands of American Indians, then bless them (Post Mortem) to save their eternal souls. What a nice god.
But that isn't god, again that is people who have the free will to do so. When people do good, it is a miracle from god. God only does nice things, and never gets his hands dirty. Yay God.

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I want to ask what do you mean by bad things??
we can cook by fire also can get burned too does that make fire bad??
like that of course they are things which we may think bad but im telling you maybe they really arent that bad..if you really think about it isnt there any good point?
fpr example in Islam if you fight in the name of Allah to proteck yourself, your family, your country and die then you will directly go to Heaven.I think its the best prize.
also the ones who created guns for nothing are us humans, now who are we blaming?the science?our brains?or metals? I can say for sure Allah is not the one to blame.

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I didn't read the replies that were more than 1 paragraph o well.

My daddy will kill me if he sees this, but i DON"T BELIEVE IN GOD.

i'll believe wht i want to believe.

~ I can believe in death gods or going to soul society after death.
~ I can believe in angels and demons or satan with 666 on his head.
~ I can believe in death gods killing us using a pen and a note book
OR I can believe in God
basically, I CAN BELIEVE IN ANYTHING.

I'm Catholic. I guess I've just committed a sin.
To me, there's no use goin to church every sunday. Things that 'God' teaches us are things we will know or already knew through our experience in life.

(I learned many life lessons through friends and of course manga )

BUT!!!! I guess other people may need God to help guide them to be better people or get life lessons through God's or Jesus' way of life if they can't get any

To me, the Bible/God/Jesus/ is a just another story. A story I hear every Sunday, a story i learn from, and a story that is being debated on. I don't care what happened in heaven or what is happening in heaven.

I'll just adapt for today and live for tomorrow.

In the famous words of Billy Graham "the Bible never promises a tomorrow, the time for salvation is today." I know some of you may think that using the Bible here would be a pointless en devour but I just would like to hear what you guys think of this passage.

Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. James 4:8

God doesn't reward the lazy. Many times we just wait around for God, when actually the opposite is quite true, God is waiting on us. If the bible is true, then what separates us from God is our self will and sin. If you choose not to find God he won't be found.

I choose to find the potty when I wanna go poopy. The Potty doesn't come to me. The potty takes away my filth and makes me feel clean, I definitely get a feeling of satisfaction from using the potty. No one will ever ask me to travel around the world and kill people cuz they don't use the potty. Though the potty is very important to my house, it is not the center/most important room in my house. Sometimes people do silly things and fall off the potty and get injured or killed, that is not the potty's fault, that is the fault of the individual. The potty came with a manual on its use. There are many potty manuals out there, and I choose to read the one that best suites my style of life. The potty always takes my poop away. If I were gay, a murderer, a liar, a thief, a prostitute, a leper, a king, or a beggar, the potty would still take away my poop equally well. Sometimes I don't make it to the potty and get poop on myself. I try not to do it again, and I go to the potty next time. The potty forgives me and still lets me go poop there next time. No questions asked. Pretty good deal.

Yay Potty!

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Lmao! hahahahaha... oh my god. That's one of the best explanations I've heard... EVER. XD hahahaha... you just completely made my day. ^____^

Oh and zubz, sure. Send me a PM if you'd like. I've debated countless times... both on the religious and non-religious side. Hahah... I'm sure I'll have some argument that can be argued against with whatever you present, but if you can give me something that I can't argue against, I'll work my way up to finding some sort of argument that makes sense... and thus, will give you (and others) the chance to argue against that. ^_^ It's the best way to get closer to the truth, right? :]

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I bow my head to that post , great. I really really mean that.


And i give sweet_basil that stare of deepest sorrow because he thinks that a newly started life cursed with a uncurable disease is not Gods fault for creating a system in which diseases of the mother pass on to the children, but the humans fault. ( it's a perfect system by the way ) Because something they don't understand is happening. It's their fault. And if it wasn't, it would be a gift. So a disease is a problem, unless it comes from god, because all that comes from god is good.
That is truely frightening logic. It really really scares me that people think like that.

most people need something to believe in, and if its god whatever.
i know that most people cant live without believing that life has a porpuse, a path, a road, bcuz it may cause them trouma or brain demage to not believe.

personally i think that the gods were all invented in order to explain things, that in the past, people did not knew how to explain. and then it simply became part of humanity, and like snowball running down the hill the "existance" of god became from and idea to a fact, and all those ceremonies began.

for example, in the first chapter of the bible "bereshit", it sez that god created the world from light and darkness. now think that u r cave ppl, some gorillas with teeny tiny brain. something just happend, and you see fire and smoke. the bible see "light" and "darkness" as something touchable, that is in front of you, not as "i can see/i cant see".
those cave men probably saw lava and smoke around them, shaping the earth.
cave man1:"dude!! light and darkness r doing something!"
cave man2:"nah, something makes them do it!!"
cave woman:"the thing that came from above is making the light and darkness into earth!!"
and so goes on.

so if u cant survive without believing that life has a porpose, and we do not live simply for giving birth and die, believe in what u want. but dont force it on other people.
i can still remember that as a kid i asked every question possible."where is god? how come i cant see him? why can he see me even if im hiding? if god is in the sky then why cant the austronauts see him? if hes such a great guy then how come every one afraid of him?"
with half of my family christian, and the other jewish, i got mixed answeres, mixed costums and one "thats how it is, god is up there, god can see you, be a good girl and shut up!!". i got presents for christmas i got prents for pesach, and after a while i realized that i dont believe in the rubbish ppl feeding me, i just want my toys when the time comes

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Hey Moritana, believe it or not I can relate to you. I grew up Muslim and sometimes I would ask questions that my parents could not answer because they were always taught to accept it as it is. Just pray and don't ask questions. Fast don't question it. Celebrate just do it. It was finally until I asked the right people that I started really looking into who God was, and realizing that God is beyond the confines of a building in my case the masque. He is so personal, and he is so involved in my life I just never realized it. A relationship is possible with God, he can become your bestest friend if you let him, someone you can confide you deepest fears, and someone you can go to for help. He is always ready to give you advice, but you got to have faith that what he is telling is going to work. I never in a billion years would ever think of God as being so close and personal, but it blew me away when I found out that he could. Just some encouragement for you my dear. If you want I'd be happy to show you what I have, if you would be interested.

you grew up Muslim??
And you turned Christian??


Holy Crap!
Aren't you going to under place since you changed it? well, according to Muslim anyway...and according to Christianity, you are going to be in Hell's limbo since you were never baptized or born Christian....Tough to be you.

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Star Trek XI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZiR-NETDr0

as i said, there r people who believe in god because they need to.
but- idont need to, i can wake up in the morning and live without looking into WHY am i living. i just do.
and besides, im an egomaniac, so i dont like the thought of a higher aouthority than myself.
directors are above it al!!


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@ ares
Man, we seriously got to have a talk about Christian doctrine sometime. I don't remember it ever saying you got to be baptized to go to heaven. All it takes is faith, do you believe that Jesus actually took the death penalty for you, saved your life so that you can have life fully. But, yeah I was actually lucky in most aspects, my father disowned me for a good long time before he finally accepted me back as a son. Don't even get me started on my extended family. If you want to talk about Miracles, all you got to do is look at my family. Born completely muslim and suddenly my Mom saw this dream about Christ and thats what started the ball rolling in my family (definitely more complicated). But if you want the details, I'd be more than happy to share via PM if you want.

@ Moritana
Just thought I'd offer. I know I make alot of mistakes, and sometimes what it takes to make the right choices in life is to humble yourself and accept the help and advice from people that are very experience and are knowledgeable. And God has been around for along time, hes seen every mistake in the book. Your absolutely right about the authority, when you invite God into your life he'll definitely get in your face and let you know if your wearing that skirt a little to revealing or if going to a certain party might not be the best idea. But always he's got your back, he honestly is the definition of self sacrificing love he wouldn't screw over his precious daughter.

im not wearing skirts since the guys in preschool always used to look under them, and i dont go to paries cuz its too crowded and too many girls.
and about the "precious doughter" thingy, if hes like my dad than thats completely absurd, cuz that guy didnt even talked to me in the past 12 YEARS, and yet he thinks he has the right to say "i dont want her to forget russian, make her study" to my gramma, and then sends me some books and cds in russian.

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