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Post #501778 - Reply to (#501767) by Joentjuh
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I'm wondering a few things
1. If any woman on baka updates or men from china, can tell me a bit more about this, or their own experience.
2. I'm a woman, and i feel like the world is a terrible place.. someone lighten my mood?


Women like to whine alot.

things are bad for men in most parts of the world. worse in 'educated' places in the world.

I don't know if it will make you feel better but your religious teacher is purposefully feeding you slanted information to make you feel like crap. Playing with your emotions to make you acchieve a predicted end conclusion.

Lots of arab women are happy with the way their life is, it in practice is generally no more different than a school dress code.

yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?

Yeah its a bit pre-historic with penalties of rape and stoning for women misbehaving. But its pre-established, the men can't drink and its hot as hell. Not a nice place, people don't think straight in the heat, so they have rules, which they obey. and have had for thousands of years. they work. quit complaining, They aren't particularly complaining, beyond the typical female complaining without the need to have anything changed.

If you want to compare to christians, christians do some pretty shitty things to people too. Whole lot of rules telling you who not to fuck, told to you buy priests who are breaking those rules fucking little altar boys. and a good number of the altar boys enjoy it, consentual sex, kids were gay, made them not feel like monsters, but its a whole societal engine.

The long story is you must not judge, especially people's sexual practices, because its morally wrong to oppose love.

China, China is a different place, Too many people, quality of life is laughable because of that. But they'll come out of it on their own in about a generation or 2 once they work things out.


I'm wondering, "Lots of arab women are happy with the way their life is", is this because of indoctrination (and don't know better) or do they truly think such?
I'm not making any judgements, and if they are fine with it I see no real problems.
The question is, what happens to those that are not fine with it?
Then again, all we can really do is show others what can be and inform them of the consequences, after that. let them make their own choices. Interfering in the business of others (when not asked to) can only lead to worse results.

Euhm, please refrain from mentioning religion... Any argument containing religion or religious believes can only turn ugly (usually quite soon).
It's already established no religion is perfect, and in a way, they are all the same... Note that religion is not the same as faith.

"because its morally wrong to oppose love."
That is one opinion, don't be surprised if not everyone agrees with you. Moral is something personal, whilst people can share certain morals, chances are they are only few. Because, who are you to decide what someone else should consider as right or wrong (and when looking at a group from the outside, who's version of 'morality' is representative)

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yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?


rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.


Hear hear.
Then again, it's not always that simple. And definitely not something you can generalise.


I agree with you xD
every topic that is about religion resulted in flame war o.O
Then again, the reality is that religions persecuting each other because of their different beliefs o.O


Post #501783 - Reply to (#501766) by AnjuxKuran
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yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?


What you are saying is a messed up.

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rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.


You do realise that rape goes both ways right? What I mean by that is that women can rape men if they like to.



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yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?


rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.

As much as I disagree with how red255 chose his words, there is some kind of logic there.
If woman dresses like she wants to get raped then...you know?
Not that I condone with the cultural practice you mentioned.
I don't even understand why a religion teacher would be showing you that :S

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Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!

Mood brightening accomplished, captain!

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Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!

Mood brightening accomplished, captain!


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Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!

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i just want to explain some thing im an arab girl ,my life is its defenetly not the way u r saying . im very happy . and no if agirl doesnt want to wear Borko or scarf or watever u call it she has the freedom to do so in most of arabs countries. there are specific places that she needs to respect the culture and wear this costume . beside in islam its not allowed to force agirl to wear a scarf . nor it is allowed to blame a rape victim for getting raped ... of course it orders to punish the criminal ... but i guess some ppl misunderstand or they on purpose put rules and penalties in the name of GOD and relegion (ofcourse nor god or relegion approve of this)to controll women and keep them in a lower level than men . but still this happens in few places only . in my country there is no such rules .

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i just want to explain some thing im an arab girl ,my life is its defenetly not the way u r saying . im very happy . and no if agirl doesnt want to wear Borko or scarf or watever u call it she has the freedom to do so in most of arabs countries. there are specific places that she needs to respect the culture and wear this costume . beside in islam its not allowed to force agirl to wear a scarf . nor it is allowed to blame a rape victim for getting raped ... of course it orders to punish the criminal ... but i guess some ppl misunderstand or they on purpose put rules and penalties in the name of GOD and relegion (ofcourse nor god or relegion approve of this)to controll women and keep them in a lower level than men . but still this happens in few places only . in my country there is no such rules .


I think it's important to know, and this goes for every country, don't believe that what you see in the news is the whole truth. Your vision of the world will be very skewed that way.
For the news generally only shows things that have gone wrong, like for example a nuclear power plant meltdown... You don't hear about good things, especially from other countries, and it's nearly never mentioned that for every case where things have gone wrong, there are thousands where it has gone right.
The news, or any other media, usually only shows you the shocking one percent... Often changed to fit their view as well.

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Post #501901 - Reply to (#501898) by Joentjuh
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i just want to explain some thing im an arab girl ,my life is its defenetly not the way u r saying . im very happy . and no if agirl doesnt want to wear Borko or scarf or watever u call it she has the freedom to do so in most of arabs countries. there are specific places that she needs to respect the culture and wear this costume . beside in islam its not allowed to force agirl to wear a scarf . nor it is allowed to blame a rape victim for getting raped ... of course it orders to punish the criminal ... but i guess some ppl misunderstand or they on purpose put rules and penalties in the name of GOD and relegion (ofcourse nor god or relegion approve of this)to controll women and keep them in a lower level than men . but still this happens in few places only . in my country there is no such rules .


I think it's important to know, and this goes for every country, don't believe that what you see in the news is the whole truth. Your vision of the world will be very skewed that way.
For the news generally only shows things that have gone wrong, like for example a nuclear power plant meltdown... You don't hear about good things, especially from other countries, and it's nearly never mentioned that for every case where things have gone wrong, there are thousands where it has gone right.
The news, or any other media, usually only shows you the shocking one percent... Often changed to fit their view as well.

i live in saudi arabie and when i was 12 a video of a 14 year old girl being stoned to death by her male relatives because she rode a car with a stranger was circulating around my school. while that was shocking the most horrific thing was when ever i asked my 12 year old classmates if tthey thought what was done to the girl was wrong they would say no and would suggest that it was her fault for riding a car with a stranger. if you want to know the kind of mentality islam fosters in people google qatif girl. the fact is most people who live in arab countries live normal peaceful lives but if you do not share their views you will be living a hell of trying to shut up when something you view as morally wrong happenes out of fear you will be ostracized or even killed. i realized morality is relative but how can a modern thinking human view cultures as equal but different is beyond me


Post #501912 - Reply to (#501722) by AnjuxKuran
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someone lighten my mood?

i would do that
except, you destroyed my mood completely.
i feel like tearing my hair out.

i advice you to enlighten your teacher about "honour killing"
it doesnt only happen in arab countries
i'm 100% against it but i guess it is something that happens on impulse
the dad/brother/whatever is completely enraged becuase in his eyes his sister/daughter lost her dignity....what wrong has the girl done?nothing. and yet she pays for it.
it is not a "religious" issue.it's an issue of pride.


oh and red255 should shutup.

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Just... just WHAT kind of thread is this...!?

You seriously want a bunch of manga otaku to look up information for you on these other cultures?

There isn't really a "religion" issue in those ideas you listed. It's about LAW, SOCIETY, and CULTURE.

From what I know, China is a very crowded (overpopulated, I'm sure) place, which is why the government limits parents to only having one child. I don't think that their government is so overbearing that they force women to get abortions after having more than one child. But, maybe they do!

That's where...

You can do something that is called... RESEARCH!

Like, Google, for example! Google is a wonderful tool, let me tell you.

Did you know, that.... in Mauritania, for women, being fat is a sign of high social status (basically, the fatter the woman > the more food she eats > the wealthier she is). In their culture, men prefer fatter women for this reason. Therefore, grown women would forcefeed their daughters to get fat. If the daughter cries and rejects the food, the mothers would then proceed to torturing (mildly, but very painfully) their daughters until the young girls would finally eat everything.

So yeah, there are muuuuuultitudes of cultures out there who do things that don't seem "right" or "normal". This... is common sense. And well, that's just part of their culture. I'm sure you do things that people in other countries would be outraged at.

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yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?


rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.

Wow.... just.... I'm at a loss for words.

Here, watch some cute puppy or kitty (or both!) videos on Youtube if you want something mood-lightening. -_-'

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

Basically only changes what happens for about a third of the population of China. Also your teacher is feeding you biased crap in many cases it seems. Though most schools and the media always feed crap to indoctrinate their audience.

Post #501953 - Reply to (#501869) by Scyfon
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yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?


rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.

As much as I disagree with how red255 chose his words, there is some kind of logic there.
If woman dresses like she wants to get raped then...you know?
Not that I condone with the cultural practice you mentioned.
I don't even understand why a religion teacher would be showing you that :S


I kind of disagree... quite a bit actually. If a woman wants to wear what she wants, it doesn't mean she's looking for sexual attention. Sometimes I wear skimpy things because I feel that clothes* can be really stifling. No woman dresses to get raped-maybe to have fun, but not to be forced into a situation that arose because somebody could not control their sexual impulse.

*at least modest clothes

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Quote from jessica 16
well im not from china but im from middle east .. well some families do kill their daughters in the name of relegion if they have sex outside marriage but this action is not accepted by relegion and its is consedered as murder. but this actions are starting to decrease by time and in my country its not common they usually make them get married. hmm i hope that i was a help bigrazz


This.


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For most people it's not as gruesome as the movie made out to be. Yes, you do need to pay a fine, but if you think logically, that's only to reduce the overpopulation in China. There's really not a better method, and even this will take maybe even a century to have it really make a difference.
I'll explain more later.

I'm from China btw.


This.

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Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!

Mood brightening accomplished, captain!


This one definitely. Even though it cruel, it's the only way. In a government/leader standpoint, it's better to have a few lives from a group die rather than the whole group dying. It's like we have soldiers fighting in war for us instead of everyone going to war. ):

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i just want to explain some thing im an arab girl ,my life is its defenetly not the way u r saying . im very happy . and no if agirl doesnt want to wear Borko or scarf or watever u call it she has the freedom to do so in most of arabs countries. there are specific places that she needs to respect the culture and wear this costume . beside in islam its not allowed to force agirl to wear a scarf. nor it is allowed to blame a rape victim for getting raped ... of course it orders to punish the criminal ... but i guess some ppl misunderstand or they on purpose put rules and penalties in the name of GOD and relegion (ofcourse nor god or relegion approve of this)to controll women and keep them in a lower level than men . but still this happens in few places only . in my country there is no such rules .


This one too.

This thread is kinda starting to sound like that sexism one... none *cough* *cough* Red255's opinion *cough* *cough*

And I also agree that the teacher is pretty biased. But that may not be her fault, because news and even education [unfortunately] forces into people biased ideas. [My first high school history lesson was a lecture from my teacher telling us to not believe anything he says but rather formulate your own opinion from what he teaches because any teacher's teachings are most definitely biased. I guess that can explain the education system in the world.] Especially news, since they fudge or exaggerate actual events to get more readers. o_o So she was probably really misinformed with biased ideas.

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yeah if you aren't wearing a burka, you can get raped, but it IS your fault because thats the societal penalty for walking around without wearing a burka. Why, then if you wanted to not get raped would you go around without a Burka on and blame someone else?


rape is NEVER a womans fault, no mater if she wears clothing or not, it is not a womans fault. ever.

As much as I disagree with how red255 chose his words, there is some kind of logic there.
If woman dresses like she wants to get raped then...you know?
Not that I condone with the cultural practice you mentioned.
I don't even understand why a religion teacher would be showing you that :S


I kind of disagree... quite a bit actually. If a woman wants to wear what she wants, it doesn't mean she's looking for sexual attention. Sometimes I wear skimpy things because I feel that clothes* can be really stifling. No woman dresses to get raped-maybe to have fun, but not to be forced into a situation that arose because somebody could not control their sexual impulse.

*at least modest clothes


okay this is getting off topic, but even if a girl wears her bra and underwear outside it still does not give ANYONE the right to rape her.

people are starting to scare me with the 'rape' is a woman's fault thinking....

anyways i didn't make this thread to discuss honor killings.
i didn't mean to offend people in china, the reason i didn't google this information was because the info could be from some rich person who doesn't really know or feel what its like to be in this situation for woman/ or men in china.

That is why i wanted to ask in a forum, i didn't mean to make this religious or about feminism.
I find peoples options more interesting.

but this blew way up... and for some reason people are always trying to find a way to make anything i say or write turn bad.

i'm feeling worst than ever >.>


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