Humans are natural idiots. nuff said.

50 years after the creators death, so its not impossible its longer then 100 years, but well mangakas have a stressful life so i guess with heart attacks the copyright will be roughly 70 years?

Reads far to much Manga

Piracy has never been an effective form of protests. It's simply illegal and holds no value to the masses. It only gives them FURTHER reason to go after you.

If you wanna protest something, then BOYCOTT it dammit. Or even just petition the company. That's actually perfectly legal.

I can't claim to be as knowledgeable on the subject matter as TI, but I do see doujinshi as a good source of talent scouting. If there is a bill or plan to attack it for its conent then Japan is going to lose a good amount potential jobs, which doesn't help economically.

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This is what happens when people don't think ahead. It's not really just about money, it's also about the outcome of such acts. Piracy is illegal, and when it comes down to it that's all scanslations are. Now what kept us going was fewer people making money of it, but nowadays some group or site is doing it openly. When it comes to that then starts the tragic destruction of our manga community. When you play with a persons livelihood an eventual fallback will occur. In the case it will be the complete shutdown of the scanslation community. So when you see someone complain about the online readers or groups getting money this, means that person has seen the cause and effect of those actions. I hope you guys understand that.

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble Milleniummaster18, but there is nothing "righteous" about this at all. Stealing from authors or companies that give those authors a livelihood isn't sticking to the man, it's just showing that you're a theif. There is no "belief" being shown in your arguement, all it's proving is that there are people like making these authors their slaves and that they should giving it to you for free all the time. And you also sound a little bit like someone who doesn't work. Cause a company that makes sure it's employees get paid, and not have to lay off them cause of no money coming in, sounds like a good company to me. So I don't know what scales you're trying to even out are but it certainly tips the scales to unemployment for a lot of people.

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Hah, try "no release". Yeah, they don't sell the manga, in this case Bakuman and Beelzebub, here in our country. So it doesn't matter to me if it's licensed or not -- as long as someone is scanlating it, I'll continue to read, because I can't buy their stuff either way.

You can read english scanlation, so why can't you buy the official english releases!?
As far as I know, nowadays stuff gets shipped everywhere....
But, wait, then we're on the topic of money again. Right, you don't want to pay for it.
Thus you read free scanlaton.
And thus we're on my argument from before.

/me sighs

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Because we DON'T have the official English releases. And you want me to get the manga shipped? When it costs like, what, three, four times the original price?

I WANT to pay for it, but the costs for doing that are unreasonable. I don't have the money. For comparison, I could buy our local comic books weekly if I saved up for it. Official English manga? Try once a month, if I save up for it. Oh wait, now you're gonna tell me to suck it up and support the publishers anyway. If it comes to that -- that is, I can't buy the official English release, AND I couldn't read a scanlation-- then I'd just stop reading manga altogether. Just because I'm not pirating doesn't mean I will be buying.

XD i'm not in it for the fans i am in it for me to read manga if the fans like it great if not who cares 😛 that is what really bugs me, these groups are doing the wrong think of yourself first and if people like it they will read it. To many groups now pick up projects cause they think "oh this will be super popular, we'll get tons of hits". i'm to scared to post my stuff on 4chan(people on 4chan post my stuff though)

You're contradicting yourself flat out in your post.
And you ARE pirating.

I never said I wasn't pirating. Please tell me how you managed to get that idea.

Please do tell how I contradicted myself, otherwise I will just assume that you missed the point of my post. Or that you took my sarcastic comment literally (the one mentioning North America).

"I WANT to pay for it, but the costs for doing that are unreasonable. I don't have the money."
"Just because I'm not pirating doesn't mean I will be buying."

That's pirating. The contradiction part is where you claim not to be pirating
"Just because I'm not pirating..."

Read you post

Just because I'm not pirating doesn't mean I will be buying.

Word for word that claims that you're not pirating.

Well, that's your opinion. Some people would say otherwise, and I stick with that numerous band.

We're not thieves, we're pirates, know the difference.

The fact that Shueisha is stooping low enough to pick a fight with the people tells you clearly that something wrong is going on there, sounds like a bad company to me.

Though necessary, money can easily deceive, look past the illusion.

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