what would be even more cliche is if nagato somehow gives naruto his ningen power

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what would be even more cliche is if nagato somehow gives naruto his ningen power

I doubt that could happen, that would need an "eye transplant" like Kakashi's case and Itachi-Sasuke's case ...would be cool too, finally, Naruto might loose his "loser" image..

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yea. we all guessed this a couple of weeks ago. too bad

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what would be even more cliche is if nagato somehow gives naruto his ningen power

I doubt that could happen, that would need an "eye transplant" like Kakashi's case and Itachi-Sasuke's case ...would be cool too, finally, Naruto might loose his "loser" image..

i knew naruto would never get ningen because naruto would look really bad with ningen eyee but if anything he'll get some form of ultimate sage technique, or at least the basic idea of it, from nagato

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So why couldn't Nagato just jump to Konan in the last chapter like he did in this one? Come on Kishimoto, you could have had it to where they at least [b]tried[/b] to fight and save Konan...

Lol, because they don't think it's possible at that time, and Nagato 's Rinnegan which makes it possible for a rescue only awakes when his pain reaches a certain level,so yeah, Yahiko should die 🤣

But Jiraiya taught Nagato how to control it and use it to his advantage. Which would mean that he taught him how to use it without relying on pain and hatred to fuel it. So I guess the training was for nothing and was just another thing in Jiraiya's long list of failures...

😃 that sounds right,...he failed, but it's true that Nagato can use Rinnegan at his whim after Jiraiya taught him (his eyes changed, there were ripples surround the pupil, and until before yahiko died, it's still Rinnegan lvl 1 eyes).However,at that level he can't activate that Shinra tensei technique ( the jutsu that looks like changing gravity and has 5 sec cooldown ).When yahiko died,with the pain Nagato's eyes changed again, with the black pupils expanded, and it awoke other powers of him.

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I'm talking about the gang Yahiko formed that was shown in the last chapter. In chapter 446's thread, I assumed that the gang was killed offscreen, but no mention about them being killed was made. And with this chapter, Nagato says that he became leader of the gang afterwards which means they weren't dead. Which means Kishimoto basically made Yahiko stupid on purpose by not bringing his gang with him to the assigned place just so that he could die. Despite the fact that ANY leaders would know to bring their crew with them to a negotiation because they don't know what's going to happen. And if he did, he would have at least a better chance at survival than just going with Nagato.

Oh,i forgot about Yahiko 's gang,lol, so if his gang wasn't there with them,i agree that they are stupid, even if they are just some kids in a peace negotiation.But do we know for sure that his gang wasn't there? Konan was taken hostage,so there are 3 possibilities: Only the three of them went there and Konan was captured stupidly or they went there with a part of their gang (possibly, yahiko didn't bring all of his gang) there was an ambush, Konan was captured, others except yahiko and nagato died.However,Yahiko and nagato and the background behind them look like there wasn't any fight involve them before, so the 3 rd possibility is Konan and the gang(not all of yahiko's gang) was ahead of them, and fell into an ambush.Anyway, they were stupid in most of the possibilities, so yeah, they are stupid.

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[quote=loosecannon504]So why couldn't Nagato just jump to Konan in the last chapter like he did in this one? Come on Kishimoto, you could have had it to where they at least [b]tried[/b] to fight and save Konan...

Lol, because they don't think it's possible at that time, and Nagato 's Rinnegan which makes it possible for a rescue only awakes when his pain reaches a certain level,so yeah, Yahiko should die 🤣

But Jiraiya taught Nagato how to control it and use it to his advantage. Which would mean that he taught him how to use it without relying on pain and hatred to fuel it. So I guess the training was for nothing and was just another thing in Jiraiya's long list of failures...

   😃      that sounds right,...he failed, but it's true that Nagato can use Rinnegan at his whim after Jiraiya taught him (his eyes changed, there were ripples surround the pupil, and until before yahiko died, it's still Rinnegan lvl 1 eyes).However,at that level he can't activate that Shinra tensei technique ( the jutsu that looks like changing gravity and has 5 sec cooldown ).When yahiko died,with the pain Nagato's eyes changed again, with the black pupils expanded, and it awoke other powers of him.[/quote]  

Where are you getting this "different levels" thing from? The Rinnengan doesn't have different levels that have to be achieved to activate certain jutsu. I think you're confusing it for the Sharingan.

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I'm talking about the gang Yahiko formed that was shown in the last chapter. In chapter 446's thread, I assumed that the gang was killed offscreen, but no mention about them being killed was made. And with this chapter, Nagato says that he became leader of the gang afterwards which means they weren't dead. Which means Kishimoto basically made Yahiko stupid on purpose by not bringing his gang with him to the assigned place just so that he could die. Despite the fact that ANY leaders would know to bring their crew with them to a negotiation because they don't know what's going to happen. And if he did, he would have at least a better chance at survival than just going with Nagato.

Oh,i forgot about Yahiko 's gang,lol, so if his gang wasn't there with them,i agree that they are stupid, even if they are just some kids in a peace negotiation.But do we know for sure that his gang wasn't there? Konan was taken hostage,so there are 3 possibilities: Only the three of them went there and Konan was captured stupidly or they went there with a part of their gang (possibly, yahiko didn't bring all of his gang) there was an ambush, Konan was captured, others except yahiko and nagato died.However,Yahiko and nagato and the background behind them look like there wasn't any fight involve them before, so the 3 rd possibility is Konan and the gang(not all of yahiko's gang) was ahead of them, and fell into an ambush.Anyway, they were stupid in most of the possibilities, so yeah, they are stupid.

We know for sure that his gang wasn't there because HIS GANG WASN'T SHOWN WITH HIM WHEN HE LEFT TO MEET WITH HANZOU. And then there's the fact that when Yahiko was killed and Nagato started attacking, no one came out to back Nagato up. They were there by themselves. And Nagato never mentions ANYTHING about the gang from when they first arrived at the assigned place to after Nagato finished raging. If some of the gang had been hurt or killed, you'd think that Nagato would mention it seeing how he was so in detail with everything else he was telling Naruto. And if it was just the three of them that went there, wouldn't Nagato tell Naruto that as soon as they got there, someone quickly snatched Konan right then and there and held her as a hostage? Especially how he was in detail with everything else he was saying? Do you see how easily I told you how Konan could have gotten captured? Or how you came up with three different ways on how it could have happened? Now tell me, why couldn't Kishimoto just do that? Why couldn't he do something as easy as explaining why the gang wasn't there and how Konan was captured in just one or two sentences?

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Ouch. Now that you guys mention it, there really were a lot of ways to have avoided killing Yahiko. Too bad, because for a second there, Kishimoto had actually managed to make us sympathize with Nagato. Now the whole thing just looks lame again. (The Raiders of the Lost Arc monster could've been cooler too.)

But you know what really bugged me? After predictably deciding not to kill Nagato (such a shock!) Naruto reverted to his usual catch phrase cliches to justify his decision. ("The pervy sage believed in me, so I'm going to believe in what he believed in!" EXCELLENT use of circular logic there!) I didn't want to two of them to have a big old debate, but it'd be nice to hear a reasonable opinion coming out of his mouth every once in a while. Naruto is supposedly the messiah of the ninja world (barf!). At least make the idiot act like a future leader every once in a while and show some wisdom.

Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a shoujo manga what with Naruto's ability to inspire every one around him just by being cheerful! Which is why Nagato is totally going to pull a Gaara next chapter and stop being a psycho killer just because Naruto says so. 🤨

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Ouch. Now that you guys mention it, there really were a lot of ways to have avoided killing Nagato. Too bad, because for a second there, Kishimoto had actually managed to make us sympathize with Yahiko. Now the whole thing just looks lame again. (The Raiders of the Lost Arc monster could've been cooler too.)

But you know what really bugged me? After predictably deciding not to kill Yahiko (such a shock!) Naruto reverted to his usual catch phrase cliches to justify his decision. ("The pervy sage believed in me, so I'm going to believe in what he believed in!" EXCELLENT use of circular logic there!) I didn't want to two of them to have a big old debate, but it'd be nice to hear a reasonable opinion coming out of his mouth every once in a while. Naruto is supposedly the messiah of the ninja world (barf!). At least make the idiot act like a future leader every once in a while and show some wisdom.

Sometimes I feel like I'm reading a shoujo manga what with Naruto's ability to inspire every one around him just by being cheerful! Which is why Yahiko is totally going to pull a Gaara next chapter and stop being a psycho killer just because Naruto says so. 🤨

u've mixed up the names.

the one that was killed in the flashbacks is Yahiko, not Nagato.
and the one that Naruto decides not to kill is Nagato, not Yahiko.

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u've mixed up the names.

the one that was killed in the flashbacks is Yahiko, not Nagato.
and the one that Naruto decides not to kill is Nagato, not Yahiko.

Woops. Typed that right after I woke up this morning. I've fixed it now. Just for you.

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So why couldn't Nagato just jump to Konan in the last chapter like he did in this one? Come on Kishimoto, you could have had it to where they at least tried to fight and save Konan...

Obviously this is where "Pain" awakened. Need I say more. He flipped out.

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And it seems that the gang that suddenly disappeared when Yahiko and Nagato went to the assigned place last chapter wasn't dead as I had thought, so now the way that Nagato died makes EVEN LESS sense seeing how he should have brought them with him in the first place.

Oh, and Naruto spared Nagato's life. Yay for him.

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Ouch. Now that you guys mention it, there really were a lot of ways to have avoided killing Yahiko. Too bad, because for a second there, Kishimoto had actually managed to make us sympathize with Nagato. Now the whole thing just looks lame again. (The Raiders of the Lost Arc monster could've been cooler too.)

It seems as if not information is fed on a silver plate some people lose their ability to think...
It would be very out of place for Naruto to criticize Nagato now for not mentioning the specific circumstances 'round the peace offering, or how and where Konan was taken. Nagato is telling Naruto 'bout his past, and the point of this story is to reveal the source of his pain. Sure he could go in detail how they formed the group, etc. but this could quickly become redundant. If you go 2 chapters back you'll see what I mean. That chapter was a bit redundant considering the point of the Nagato's story to Naruto.

This isn't the 1st time ('specially in Naruto), I've seen no-brainer analysis like this. Sometimes it's the authors fault but most of the time it's just people inability to think for themselves. 😀 😎

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Where are you getting this "different levels" thing from? The Rinnengan doesn't have different levels that have to be achieved to activate certain jutsu. I think you're confusing it for the Sharingan.

1. From my imagination 😲 🤣 that's the way for it to make some senses, and it's interesting,i think.
2. From the manga , 🙄 i just see that his eyes changed,and his power changed, so it's 2 different levels, of Rinnegan.
   3.Sharingan ? nah i am not confusing between them.

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We know for sure that his gang wasn't there because HIS GANG WASN'T SHOWN WITH HIM WHEN HE LEFT TO MEET WITH HANZOU .And then there's the fact that when Yahiko was killed and Nagato started attacking, no one came out to back Nagato up. They were there by themselves Hm?Pain said it was a trap then the next scene is the captivity of Konan, you maybe right but the third possibility is, well, possible.

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And Nagato never mentions ANYTHING about the gang from when they first arrived at the assigned place to after Nagato finished raging. If some of the gang had been hurt or killed, you'd think that Nagato would mention it seeing how he was so in detail with everything else he was telling Naruto He can tell Naruto in detail, but he may not tell some unimportant part (compare to the main content of his story) like that, alas this is just a possibility.And possibilities (in this context) have larger probability to be true than definite affirmation.Ok, assuming that you're right, then it's the 1st possibility.

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And if it was just the three of them that went there, wouldn't Nagato tell Naruto that as soon as they got there, someone quickly snatched Konan right then and there and held her as a hostage? Especially how he was in detail with everything else he was saying? Do you see how easily I told you how Konan could have gotten captured? Or how you came up with three different ways on how it could have happened? Now tell me, why couldn't Kishimoto just do that? Why couldn't he do something as easy as explaining why the gang wasn't there and how Konan was captured in just one or two sentences?

okay okay, Kishimoto could have made the situation less ambiguous,and i'm not trying to prove that it makes perfect sense. But come on,my tendency inclined to thinking of possibilities to explain a story, i did it when you picked the tendency of criticizing the author when he can not hear you, or can he? so this is my way to have an argument,lol.
Edit :Also, i'm not telling you to stop criticizing him, since it'd be really boring if you don't.

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