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So you would sacrifice some kids to achieve that?

We're not talking about impaling their heads on spikes here. We're talking about teasing, bullying and the like. Yes, that sacrifice is acceptable if the end result is a tolerant society where that won't happen anymore.

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We're not talking about impaling their heads on spikes here. We're talking about teasing, bullying and the like. Yes, that sacrifice is acceptable is the end result is a tolerant society where that won't happen anymore.

You're talking about ideals along the same line as Karl Marx and John Lennon, people always sharing and only taking what they need, there is no intolerance in the world, too bad that's again only a dream =(

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You're talking about ideals along the same line as Karl Marx and John Lennon, people always sharing and only taking what they need, there is no intolerance in the world, too bad that's again only a dream =(

Yes, I know. I'm actually quite cynical too and I don't imagine humans are a actually capable of any kind of self-created "utopia". Just saying, it'd be nice.

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You're talking about ideals along the same line as Karl Marx and John Lennon, people always sharing and only taking what they need, there is no intolerance in the world, too bad that's again only a dream =(

Yes, I know. I'm actually quite cynical too and I don't imagine humans are a actually capable of any kind of self-created "utopia". Just saying, it'd be nice.

I'm getting off topic now, sorry but then again, I prefer us being stupid bigoted humans. A perfect utopian society is kinda creepy, sorta like people are just robots and not really humans (i.e Brave New World).

I think they should be allowed, simply because they can--->it's their choice

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So you would sacrifice some kids to achieve that?

Sorry for butting in: imho, there're many heterosexual families which're pretty much messed up* and I think it isn't a question of who's "heterosexual, same sex" or whatever but how balanced the family is. Balanced as in : both parents must know how to bring up their children, good child care and not allowing the kids to gorge themselves on fast food, no watching ultra-violent or extreme sexual movies/tv, etc.

Whether it's a gay, lesbian or straight or whatever family, I'd want to make sure the parents are of sound condition and are able to judge for themselves and also have good critical thinking skills, before allowing them to adopt a kid. These days, there're too many parents who lack good parenting skills and thus, it isn't very safe placing a kid in their hands. These people don't view a child as a human but instead, as a trophy, something to discard when they're bored of it. They may plead for mercy but have no interest in bettering themselves.

Note: By "messed up", I mean "child abuse" which goes into the point of "starvation, rape, torture(using lit cigarettes, red-hot irons, rape, prostitution, or something else to inflict punishment)", "forced consumption of drugs like heroin, marijuana, etc. (there're parents who resort to feeding their babies or children drugs when they run out of money for food)", "selling off children to organ harvesters/brothels so they can profit from the sale", etc.

And I think parents who behave in such a manner don't deserve to keep their children. And for evidence of such cases.. simply, go to the local child welfare services department or read up various psychological/psychiatrical/child welfare/counselling books and magazines: I think you could find a lot of evidence regarding such cases which're on the rise in many countries, incidentally. Not just in third-world country but also in developed countries. And sometimes, the need and desire for money and resources to live and survive outstrips the priority of looking after a child.

And back to topic: they deserve marriage, they deserve to be able to divorce one another and they deserve children. They're humans, after all. 🙂

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its just messed up and wrong.......
just cause someone can do something doesn't mean they should

oh boy..... Sigh" this is the reason why you should add "this is my opinion" blah blah etc... Well w/e i really don't give a care in the world in the end it a stranger ...shoot why the hell do you concern over someone business...
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Yes, in the Catholic religion, the church is normally referred to as a 'she'... I think it should be both a 'he' and a 'she' to avoid the "homosexuality" in the Church... But I'm probably one of the few who think that... but it's probably because there is a lot more males in the Church then females, (they have more jobs, priests, bishops, cardinals, pope, deacons, monsignors, brothers, ect.)

And I love my homosexual friends, the males are super-nice... at least from my experiences. 😀 Got to love them all XD.

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Just to clarify; I don't think that comment was meant to call into question the parenting abilities of gay couples. The "sacrifice" was about subjecting the kids to the teasing, and everything that would likely come from other kids once they know the kid has two moms/dads.

I Think it's wrong...

I don't care what homosexual ppl do frankly but marrige is a covonant between a man a woman and god. If they wanna have a family by all means they can. I don't think that the child when he gets older would have an easy life at all but if the parents wana put him through that then by all means why not. If they want to have the social and political benifits of being married why not. But marrige is not about that and frankly i don't think most couples that do get married nowadays should be getting married anyways. It's an everlasting promise with god like moses and the isrealites made with God. As long as it's not in a church i could care less.

p.s. if your in high school...and some one finds out your parents are men...good luck

and if they deserve to have marrige i deserver to have multiple wives

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Personally i think this topic shouldnt be allowed i mean its not like you can help but love someone and saying its not allowed is the stupidest thing ever. Also GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MARRIAGE. its entirly a human concept so dont go and bring religion into this otherwise a person can easily say "then why did god make people whose chemicals in their brain dont work like they should" i mean thats all homosexaulity is a disorder in a persons hormones (this has been proven scientifically).

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people have the right to be miserable.

After all the concept of "Family" is universal, many people that are not blood related can get together and form a unit that is similar to a safe and loving family.

If religion is all that is holding this back, then call it something else, as long as people, the state and the law recognise that they make a family, a clan or whatever you call it, then so be it.

plus, it saves a lot of people from wasting effort on people who aren't interested in a heterosexual relationship.

it just makes a little bit more room on the battlefield called love for us ugly blokes.

(since some higher being has decided to make all the female desirable men be gay. Thank you Haruhi!)

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To anyone thats offended by me dissing religion i say sorry to. For religion gave us many things like morals it also banded the human race together for if religion had not been created human would be going around like animal and all of over technology probably would never have been created, but you have to realize that religion has the highest number of human deaths caused by other human and you also have to consider the fact of when is a religion a religion or a cult

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I Think it's wrong...

I don't care what homosexual ppl do frankly but marrige is a covonant between a man a woman and god. If they wanna have a family by all means they can. I don't think that the child when he gets older would have an easy life at all but if the parents wana put him through that then by all means why not. If they want to have the social and political benifits of being married why not. But marrige is not about that and frankly i don't think most couples that do get married nowadays should be getting married anyways. It's an everlasting promise with god like moses and the isrealites made with God. As long as it's not in a church i could care less.

p.s. if your in high school...and some one finds out your parents are men...good luck

and if they deserve to have marrige i deserver to have multiple wives

Religious marriages mean nothing. And certainly not any everlasting promise that you could think of. And by the way, this "promise" is a rather shaky one as about 1/2 of the overall number of wedding ends up in the gutter.

Besides what is this kind of twisted logic you've got? It's not a matter of deserving anything! Homosexuals and heterosexual couples should have the same rights concerning marriages and children.