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I don't care what homosexual ppl do frankly but marrige is a covonant between a man a woman and god. If they wanna have a family by all means they can. I don't think that the child when he gets older would have an easy life at all but if the parents wana put him through that then by all means why not. If they want to have the social and political benifits of being married why not. But marrige is not about that and frankly i don't think most couples that do get married nowadays should be getting married anyways. It's an everlasting promise with god like moses and the isrealites made with God. As long as it's not in a church i could care less.

p.s. if your in high school...and some one finds out your parents are men...good luck

and if they deserve to have marrige i deserver to have multiple wives

Religious marriages mean nothing. And certainly not any everlasting promise that you could think of. And by the way, this "promise" is a rather shaky one as about 1/2 of the overall number of wedding ends up in the gutter.

Besides what is this kind of twisted logic you've got? It's not a matter of deserving anything! Homosexuals and heterosexual couples should have the same rights concerning marriages and children.

wrong...religios marriges are marriges...thats where the whole concept came from. It's become adepted to fit into society but it originally comes from religion.

and as i stated i don't aprove of most marriges that happen today ne ways.

and it's not twisted logic...it's my logic...and if homosexuals want to have the right to get married so be it...but being married in a church is a privilege not a right...seperation of church and state learn your constitution

and further more what about the rights of the children who will be raised by the parents. i know you'll be there to suport the passing of gay marriage but will you stand next to every kid that gets made fun of cuz his parents are gay? crap like that causes severe emotional damage no matter how good the parents are.

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wrong...religios marriges are marriges...thats where the whole concept came from. It's become adepted to fit into society but it originally comes from religion.

What are your sources for this? I'm genuinely interested. I once did try to research this but nothing really came up about religion during the time of the ancients from what I could remember. I could be wrong though. It seemed like marriage was something that gave the right for two people to live together.

I didn't read everything in this thread but from what I've read it seems like people are mainly targeting male and male couples...interesting.

Anyway I think that homosexual couples should have to the same rights as heterosexual couples.

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wrong...religios marriges are marriges...thats where the whole concept came from. It's become adepted to fit into society but it originally comes from religion.

What are your sources for this? I'm genuinely interested. I once did try to research this but nothing really came up about religion during the time of the ancients from what I could remember. I could be wrong though. It seemed like marriage was something that gave the right for two people to live together.

I didn't read everything in this thread but from what I've read it seems like people are mainly targeting male and male couples...interesting.

Anyway I think that homosexual couples should have to the same rights as heterosexual couples.

well religion wise it's in christianity becasue it was in judaism.
it's not clearly stated when the first mairrae was(it's assumed adam and eve were) but it states that the guidlines are that of a woman and a man becoming one complete soul reverting into an adam like state since eve came from him. Though there have been cases where outside influenced have influeneced rreligion as well.
Back then ppl did not get married for tax breaks and didn't have to sign anything. The statment before you, your Spouse, Your Comunity, and God was enough.

My only problem is marriage nowadays like when ppl get mmaried for green cards and crap like that. I can understand why but your tattering a religious ideal. instead of being respected it's becoming tarnished. I;m not saying gays are wrong or ryte. I could care less. but getting married in city hall and married in a church are 2 different things

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Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

Even in the hight of Christian influence in Western society many marriages were political alliances especially among the royalty and nobles.

@keel: dude marriage for a long time was rarely about love, you talk about people marrying for green cards? How about marrying for land? for power? for a political alliance between two countries? Most of the time "love" and "ideals" didn't exist in the past, so it's not a huge surprise that they still don't exist now.

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Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

The roman empire came around 509 BC

The Abram from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is from 2000-1700 BC

Christianity was not well established but thats only because people were just plain jews back then. Christianity did not start to branch off until Jesus came around and the dispertion of the jews across the roman empire

Judaism was well established way before this

agreed that people did marry for the wrong purposes and not because of "love". But as i stated time...and time again...i don't agree with those marriages and find them to be unjust. So for the last time...Pll being married by the state...Is different then being married in a church...

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Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

The roman empire came around 509 BC

The Abram from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is from 2000-1700 BC

Christianity was not well established but thats only because people were just plain jews back then. Christianity did not start to branch off until Jesus came around and the dispertion of the jews across the roman empire

Judaism was well established way before this

Yes but then again, that's just Judaism you can't base ALL of marriage off one religion

Anyway to stop straying from topic, nowadays marriage is incredibly secular, no matter how you look at it, marriage has been transformed into a non-religious way. Therefore it is quite feasible and idk why it's "so horrible" that homosexuals be allowed to marry. If it condemns their immortal soul, so be it, they probably dont believe in one anyway.

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Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

The roman empire came around 509 BC

The Abram from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is from 2000-1700 BC

Christianity was not well established but thats only because people were just plain jews back then. Christianity did not start to branch off until Jesus came around and the dispertion of the jews across the roman empire

Judaism was well established way before this

Yes but then again, that's just Judaism you can't base ALL of marriage off one religion

i'm basing the concept of marriage not the practice.
if that were the fact then only jews would be able to get married.

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[quote=funkmu1]Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

The roman empire came around 509 BC

The Abram from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is from 2000-1700 BC

Christianity was not well established but thats only because people were just plain jews back then. Christianity did not start to branch off until Jesus came around and the dispertion of the jews across the roman empire

Judaism was well established way before this

Yes but then again, that's just Judaism you can't base ALL of marriage off one religion

i'm basing the concept of marriage not the practice.
if that were the fact then only jews would be able to get married.[/quote]

im curious since when was judaism the only religion that had marriage ceremonies?

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right sorry, this is just reposting what i edited above so:
Anyway to stop straying from topic, nowadays marriage is incredibly secular, no matter how you look at it, marriage has been transformed into a non-religious ceremony. Therefore it is quite feasible that homosexuals be allowed to marry. If it condemns their immortal soul, so be it, they probably dont believe in one anyway.

EDIT: Uhh.... yea does anyone know what's the justification to be homosexual and christian?

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[quote=Keel][quote=funkmu1]Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

The roman empire came around 509 BC

The Abram from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is from 2000-1700 BC

Christianity was not well established but thats only because people were just plain jews back then. Christianity did not start to branch off until Jesus came around and the dispertion of the jews across the roman empire

Judaism was well established way before this

Yes but then again, that's just Judaism you can't base ALL of marriage off one religion

i'm basing the concept of marriage not the practice.
if that were the fact then only jews would be able to get married.[/quote]

im curious since when was judaism the only religion that had marriage ceremonies?[/quote]
i listed judaism...islam...and christianity for you...yet aparently you didn't see that...i said that i have no problem with homosexuals getting married in city hall but a problem with them getting married in a church...what is your argument because it's dam clear that it not obvious...and there are other religions like hinduism that have marrieges...do you want to kno where that came from and what thier point of view are on it too?

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To get back on topic...

I personally live in the United States, where it is not allowed in most states. People are also fighting for Civil Unions, which means that they're legally, but not religiously "married". There are too many conservatives right now who will rack up who knows what if same sex marriage is allowed here, so I'll say, not yet. Civil Unions first. Marriage when the country can take it.

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[quote=funkmu1][quote=Keel][quote=funkmu1]Marriage has both secular as well as non-secular connotations, ever since the Roman times before Christianity became popular marriage was both. The actually "marriage" was basically a political alliance between the father of the girl and the husband (the girl really had no say), but they did observe certain holy rituals to appease the gods

So basically marriage can be both religious and non-religious. In our modern society, marriage is mostly a state thing so you don't need religion to be married.

The roman empire came around 509 BC

The Abram from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity is from 2000-1700 BC

Christianity was not well established but thats only because people were just plain jews back then. Christianity did not start to branch off until Jesus came around and the dispertion of the jews across the roman empire

Judaism was well established way before this

Yes but then again, that's just Judaism you can't base ALL of marriage off one religion

i'm basing the concept of marriage not the practice.
if that were the fact then only jews would be able to get married.[/quote]

im curious since when was judaism the only religion that had marriage ceremonies?[/quote]
i listed judaism...islam...and christianity for you...yet aparently you didn't see that...i said that i have no problem with homosexuals getting married in city hall but a problem with them getting married in a church...what is your argument because it's dam clear that it not obvious...and there are other religions like hinduism that have marrieges...do you want to kno where that came from and what thier point of view are on it too?[/quote]

Ah I see, sorry then, see I automatically assumed that they weren't going to get married at a church because that'd be a rather awkward ceremony and also a conflict interests.

then again as far as I can tell you never clearly stated you meant getting married at churches.

[quote]getting married in city hall and married in a church are 2 different things[quote]

it was at the end of the first one you respnded too...

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wrong...religios marriges are marriges...thats where the whole concept came from. It's become adepted to fit into society but it originally comes from religion.

and as i stated i don't aprove of most marriges that happen today ne ways.

and it's not twisted logic...it's my logic...and if homosexuals want to have the right to get married so be it...but being married in a church is a privilege not a right...seperation of church and state learn your constitution

and further more what about the rights of the children who will be raised by the parents. i know you'll be there to suport the passing of gay marriage but will you stand next to every kid that gets made fun of cuz his parents are gay? crap like that causes severe emotional damage no matter how good the parents are.

Such a strong meaning that most of couples nowadays just want to get married because it looks like a moral obligation or that it sounds cool. It's a business in general even for the church, just another reason to keep those preasts and all. It "used" to mean this everlasting love you've written about and virginity, chastity or whatever, but those concepts are outdated. Sure it sounds romantic to get married in a church but it's mostly for your own pleasure.

Marriages are marriages, what a strong argument, forgive me if I don't agree with you. If you think of a religious wedding as a privilege, so be it but the church can't afford to leave some people behind because it's a "sin" to be homosexual.

You don't have to have gay parents to get made fun of. Kids can find whatever petty reason to do so, and if they want to annoy a classmate, nothing is going to stop them, hair color, skin color, height, weight, clothes, nothing. Basically this the exact same assumption that I've heard for ages and I don't think that it's ever been proved.