If marriage is a religious thing, then no. After all it doesn't follow the rules of religion.

I think a secular union should be allowed that gives gay couples all the rights of marriage but doesn't include anything religious.

That way none of the religious people can complain it ruins the sanctity of their marriage, and that not letting gay people have this union is saying they are not equal in the eyes of the state.

As for gay couples who are religious and want to have a religious marriage... work it out =__= That's too complicated for me.

Anyway, I still support gay marriage. If they're not trying to make a type of secular union, then I support whatever gives gay people equal rights, even if it doesn't make sense.
Recognizing the rights of all people is of higher priority than making religious people comfortable.

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70+% agrees..so what the heck?
it's not like we are changing anything by voting yes here. The world is not changing and in a way, we are the world. sigh just thinking about it make me depressed.

When two people love each other that's all that matters. Everything else is just lines drawn in the sand, political and social squabbling, people forcing their views on others.
Sometimes I'm disgusted by my own species, that we would deny others happiness without even considering their feelings.

yea..bro that's true 🙂

imo, it's just a psychology thing that gay happens to be wrong.
People have been living for ages as a pair of men and women, accepting a men-men or women-women thing won't be that easy.
But in the first place we agree men-women is because we have been doing that since I don't know when, it's to produce better offspring and er...human anatomy?.
Anyway, our current technology are good enough to allow gay relationship and still produce an offspring so why not?

Yeah, we still got religion as a wall (no offence, just pointing out factors that blocks ppl mind)
If we look back into history..religion has always been a wall to a lot of stuff. Ie. sci research was somehow related to "magic" back in the dark ages(europe) and smart ppl get killed for that. You can see a lot more example if you get into our history but Imo some was altered, manipulated, etc.

the reason as far as im concerned that religion (at least like Catholicism) is opposed to same sex marriage is that marriage is seen as a means to legitimize sex which is seen solely as a means to bearing children. We all know this is not true xP (no but like culturally in America that's pretty much not the case)

Personally i don't care either way, I say they should be able to for sure. I believe a lot of our literature on it like, that it somehow messes with kids development or something has more to do with the fact that its a social taboo for some reason more than actually having two parents of the same sex.

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the reason as far as im concerned that religion (at least like Catholicism) is opposed to same sex marriage is that marriage is seen as a means to legitimize sex which is seen solely as a means to bearing children. We all know this is not true xP (no but like culturally in America that's pretty much not the case)
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amazing misunderstanding, read the catechism if you wish to know a catholic position.

Edit: or Theology of the body for an easier read.

"Let's put a smile on that face."

Christians oppose same sex marriage because, at the creation God instituted marriage between one man, Adam, and one woman, Eve. Jesus, as the Son of God, endorsed this view when he was asked about divorce. He said,

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,' and said, For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." (Matthew 19:4-6)

Thus, in the Christian point of view, marriage was instituted by God, and not the state. So the state should not feel free to re-define marriage. It is appropriate, however, for the state to regulate marriage because such regulation is necessary on account of sinful human nature. For various reasons (responsibility for children, estates, etc.) it is also necessary to have a public record of marriages and divorces.

Honestly I don't believe in 'marriage'...
But I would allow it to everyone - involving same sex couples too 😁
In the end the ceremony is mostly very romantic and beautiful so true love earns at least this much celebration^^

I don't really understand why religions are against homosexual and lesbian love since most of the holy books of the world say : everyone is sister and brother so we should love and accept eachother...

Oh, well...I guess this question will stay open forever... 🙄

First of all, I AM a Christian, a catholic as a matter of fact. And I do support legal same sex marriages. I feel that Gods mind and beliefs are His own and beyond our understanding. Perhaps all who partake in same sex relationships will be denied heavens kingdom, and perhaps not. If they want to take that risk that is THEIR choice! Marriage isn’t just Christian union. It is also a legal union. There are in fact many people who only marry in the laws name, and not in Gods. Anyone can marry regardless of their religion. As to whether or not they can hold same sex marriage ceremonies in a church? I think that’s for each individual church to decide.

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What do churches have to do with marriage? People get married all the time, not necessarily in a church. The term "marriage" is not exclusively used in terms of Christian unions, so don't presume this is true. In so far, no one is voting against your beliefs, whatever it may be. The majority of gay marriages do not occur within the confines of religious facilities.

Are we a “free” country or not?!

And yes they should be able to adopt. Tons and tons of orphans spend each day praying to have a permanent home. And many people in same sex relationships pray for a child. So if they both wish to make their prayers a reality, then they should have that right.

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The only reason gay couples want to get married is for the tax benefits, so no for me, I don't believe that crap about wanting to declare their love for each other don't need to get married for that. As for moral reasons ive got nothing against homosexual couples there are more important matters to deal with right now.

You should know that marriage has other benefits that are arguably a lot more important than tax rates. The ability to make decisions for the other person during hospital stays, for example.

Tax breaks are a benefit, yeah, but even if that was the only reason, is there any reason to deny a person that because of their sexual orientation? I mean, if you have nothing against them, why not just give them the same tax breaks?

I agree with Crenshinibon here. freak4all , you say you have nothing against homosexual couples, but then you go and say that they only reason they want the right to marry is for tax benefits. Such an idiotic notion! People don’t just go and get married for tax benefits!! Seriously! Just so you know, freak4all, there are cases when people LOSE tax benefits for being married.

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Oh and all you Christian fundamentalists out there. How would you like it if we got it your face about who you marry or your faith. Faith is a personal thing, and if someone does not want to follow the teachings and ideals you embrace, then hey it's no sweat off of your brow, and also, by your teaching God is the only one with the right to judge others. It's amazing what you find in the Bible, you all should try reading it.

I find it disturbing that I am both half offended and half in love with this comment. It probably has something to do with the fact that I was grouped together with those overbearing judgmental often-homophobic idiots of Christians. But I hold no grudges, as I completely and utterly agree with what tenshi-no-shi said.

And no, I am not a lesbian. I am completely straight. In case you guys were wondering.

I don't care, it's their life, let them live it without interference.
Someone trying to force their religion [ie. Saying homosexual marriage/couples are immoral/etc.] on them is only going to make said-person disliked and they will avoid the said-religion if possible (unless if they practice said-religion).
Even if it is supposedly "immoral" there are hundred's (okay, maybe not hundreds, but you catch my drift) of immoral things we [or at least some of us] do every damn day, so why just decide to pick on this one "immoral" thing?
Besides, they're still people, it's not like they mutate into monsters or anything, I don't see the big deal.
Not to mention I have friends/online friends/family members who are gay, they're all normal.

Besides, doesn't the Bible depict homosexual couples or something? I've never actually read the thing so I'm not sure (since I'm not Christian, My mother told me were Presbyterian, but I don't practice it then again, neither does she XD), but I did hear that from someone.

Anyways: Yes, I'm for it.

Let them wed. I'm all for it. I don't see anything wrong with it.

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Besides, doesn't the Bible depict homosexual couples or something? I've never actually read the thing so I'm not sure (since I'm not Christian, My mother told me were Presbyterian, but I don't practice it then again, neither does she XD), but I did hear that from someone.

Anyways: Yes, I'm for it.

That means you're Christian. I understand that you aren't Christian anymore but I don't understand how so many "used to be" Christians know nothing about it. 🙄 Christian means believing in Jesus Christ. Presbyterians believe in Jesus Christ.

I think that marriage has nothing to do with the state and all to do with the church.
Whatever the church wants to do it decides, but that is not for the government to decide.

The problem is that the idea of marriage is crumbling. Before it was used to secure bonds between rich families, and to help a man figure out which kids were his. (How useful!)

The church isn't against homosexuals, it is against sex that doesn't lead to children.
In Christianity you get married to have sex and have children.
Man/man and woman/woman cannot have children together therefor cannot get married in the Christian church. Then they can't have sex outside of marriage because it is a sin "You shall not commit adultery". Ta-Da!

Personally, I don't see why everyone needs to get married. It's just something you don't have and that makes you want it.

The government should have no say in marriage other then the tax benefits ect. Homosexuals should be able to go to war, adopt children, whatever they want.

As for the church... they can do whatever the hell they want. As technology is growing the need for religion is falling apart. Strict rules are just pissing everyone off. They are grasping at straws and we just need to wait and see how it works for them.

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Besides, doesn't the Bible depict homosexual couples or something? I've never actually read the thing so I'm not sure (since I'm not Christian, My mother told me were Presbyterian, but I don't practice it then again, neither does she XD), but I did hear that from someone.

Anyways: Yes, I'm for it.

Not the bible itself. Many arts produced by historical painters and artists have certain....elements in them that...shall we say are quite suspicious? 😀 Theme oriented among saints and priests....

Saint Sebastian, by Carlo Saraceni

I believe it is a tradition unconsciously inherited since the Greek and Roman times where often these taboo themes are incorporated into the art itself.

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The Death of Hyacinthos, by Jean Broc. lol, epic BL!!!! even if they weren't gay. 🤣 and why is their....you-know-what so small? they probably thought the thing symbolized crudeness and decided to put less emphasis on that part.

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this is not about cannibalism...please get back on topic

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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.

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The Death of Hyacinthos, by Jean Broc. lol, epic BL!!!! even if they weren't gay. 🤣 and why is their....you-know-what so small? they probably thought the thing symbolized crudeness and decided to put less emphasis on that part.

maybe it was very cold that day
also if you feel sad,dead lol you most likely shrink too

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and why is their....you-know-what so small? they probably thought the thing symbolized crudeness and decided to put less emphasis on that part.

Maybe it was cold 😛

I have no problem with same sex marriages myself.
The state has absolutely no say in with whom and for how long you wish to spend your life.
Thus I don't see why homosexuals (I'm so PC 😎 ) can't get a state marriage.
Give them all the legal benefits and stuff other married people get.

Now a church marriage is different. Since christianity has this weird phobia of exchanging bodily fluids between people, especially when it doesn't create offspring, marrying a homosexual couple would be hypocritical. (though, seeing as how many childeren were abused by priests in the last century they really shouldn't have issues with hypocrisy, funny how that works innit?)

Dammit, too late

Do but despise reason and science,
The highest of all human gifts -
Then you have surrendered to the Devil
And must surely perish. - J.W. von Goethe

just put simply, its legal in canada =| regardless homosexuals are people too, so they should have the same rights as heterosexuals [just sayin, i mean im not straight myself]

Marriage is mostly a religious thing, so no. Marriage in some religions is defined as being between a man and a women, and therefore even state marriages for same sex couples wouldn't work.

However, I don't see the problem with giving them the benefits of marriage, as long as they aren't considered to be technically "married". That way both sides can be happy.

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