mm, I did withdraw the statement since I wasn't too sure, but from looking around it seems that if you want to get married under the muslim vows you must convert to islam. . . can't say for sure though

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I am going to state this in general, as a homosexual and an atheist, civil unions are not enough. I would vote against civil unions if it was on the ballet in my state! Separate is not equal according to me and the supreme court of the United States of America. It, the solution, must have the same name, processes, and benefits or I will not accept it.

The only circumstances where I would accept civil unions is if heterosexuals had to get them too.

Oh, and a quick hurry for Washington D.C. legalizing same sex marriage! Oh yeah, that's right! Our nation's capital! What a victory...

my question is why you want to legalize same sex "church" marriage? I mean, if I want to get married in a muslim moske, I don't believe I can (maybe there are liberal exceptions who would allow an open atheist to do so but I don't think so), but neither do I find it a big problem, because I have respect of the fact that muslims find their marriage sacred and therefore me getting married in their holy house would be sacreligious.

so is the reason you want to have a church marriages because you can't, or because it, in some other way than prohibits you from the actual process of it, inscrutinizes your civil rights?

I mean, if you get the civil rights from a civil union then every union is a form of civil union (whoa, "civil" and "union" galore), it's just a matter of whether you add a religious aspect to it or not.

Now I don't try to act moronic here, I'm pro-gay "religious" marriage in the sense that I think that any respectable religion would allow it, but I just don't want to force something down peoples throat, because that will just bring problems in the future instead.

I don't want to get married in a church. I simply want the same rights as heterosexuals. I do not expect the government to force churches to let me get married in their church. I want to be able to get married. It is not a legal requirement to get married in a church, and marriage is not religious at all.

With civil unions, separate is not equal. If there are two forms of 'marriage' or a civil pact, then there can be separate laws governing them. Look back when schools, bathrooms, restaurants, and anything of public use was segregated by race. It was legal, as long as it was equal; and we know how that went.

then we're talking about the same thing, giving the "civil union" the same status as a marriage, and that I fully agree with, that is also why I clicked in favour of same-sex marriage 😃

if you don't want it to be called civil union but a marriage as well, that's fine too, imo at least.

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then we're talking about the same thing, giving the "civil union" the same status as a marriage, and that I fully agree with, that is also why I clicked in favour of same-sex marriage 😃

if you don't want it to be called civil union but a marriage as well, that's fine too, imo at least.

Just drop the whole civil union thing. Marriage. Just call it marriage. Nobody wants to say, "we're civilly unioned".

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then we're talking about the same thing, giving the "civil union" the same status as a marriage, and that I fully agree with, that is also why I clicked in favour of same-sex marriage 😃

if you don't want it to be called civil union but a marriage as well, that's fine too, imo at least.

Just drop the whole civil union thing. Marriage. Just call it marriage. Nobody wants to say, "we're civilly unioned".

No, marriage should be the thing that gets axed. Since, it doesn't mean that much anyways now-a-days. Just call it "we're together".

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then we're talking about the same thing, giving the "civil union" the same status as a marriage, and that I fully agree with, that is also why I clicked in favour of same-sex marriage 😃

if you don't want it to be called civil union but a marriage as well, that's fine too, imo at least.

Just drop the whole civil union thing. Marriage. Just call it marriage. Nobody wants to say, "we're civilly unioned".

No, marriage should be the thing that gets axed. Since, it doesn't mean that much anyways now-a-days. Just call it "we're together".

Aw, your ideas are so old and you don't even realize it. How cute.

Anyway, that comment wasn't directed at you, and your response is irrelevant, so try harder next time, 'kay?

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then we're talking about the same thing, giving the "civil union" the same status as a marriage, and that I fully agree with, that is also why I clicked in favour of same-sex marriage 😃

if you don't want it to be called civil union but a marriage as well, that's fine too, imo at least.

Just drop the whole civil union thing. Marriage. Just call it marriage. Nobody wants to say, "we're civilly unioned".

I said I agree if you want to drop the "civil union thing" 😮

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Toto: mm, no I think you'd either say you're a couple or married, saying we're together implies that we're talking about two teenagers imo 🤣

same sex marriage becoming legalized is fine if people really feel the need to or maybe what they're really seeking is to be acknowledged and respected for being gay without having to keep it under. so by having same gender marriage, it may be that that's their first step to reaching that ideal goal. i respect that. truth is, nothing or no one ever is truly respected as opinion can be biased and capricious.

i would hope that the U.S.'s next goal will be to not make religion a state affair. In the US, `god' religion seems to be very paramount to everything. while in other countries, it is take or leave, and one can ascend the ladder as a government official or a president without having to believe in what the mass worships. for example, that one time where Obama was criticized for lacking the belief towards god.

My opinion, one could be great or not even if religion plays a role. as long as there's a moral grounding and understanding of when to not let a religion bind you to searching, learning, and exploring something out of the usual, then the better.

back to topic: there's no reason to rush things. if love is there then time is but a trivia matter.

I'm fine with same sex marriage. I mean if straight
people can fall in love and get married I don't see
why gay people can't. They should be allowed to
be as happy or as miserable as a straight couple.

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i dont see a problem with it 😐 ... if other people are in love with eachother what does it have to do with you?

I just realized how offensive this poll really is. >_>
You don't have to be gay to be for Gay Marriage, and you don't have to hate gays to be against it.

...Maybe it's just me?....

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Same sex marriage is just like art... is subject to personal opinions, and completely useless in the overall.

Not saying Gay and lesbians can't marry... just that there is no real point to it... The whole point of marriage is to have children and educate them to be productive members of society and take mankind to greater highs... taking into account that gays and lesbians relationships can't naturally reproduce, then part of the goal is missing... yeah they can just adopt a children, but is not the same.

Then again the concept of marriage is pretty much a ghost of what it used to be... so why not?

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People married with the same sex because they fall in love and need one another for the rest of their live....Sometimes I also feel that same sex understand better their same sex partner than the opposite sex....This is why same sex married occur.....but if the same sex married then, just the part of their mission complete....well if they really dun want kids then just go with it.....

I live in the mid west now, and people are kind of conservative (especially were I live). The biggest brother that most people have here with same sex marriage is the word "marriage". I'm frankly for same sex marriage and can see why same sex couples want to use the word marriage. I think the first step that needs to be done in the mid west is to have and honor civil unions. Then ease in the word marriage over time.

Love is love, and if two people want to get real proof of their love, marriage should be allowed despite gender issues. (That, and what would you do if somebody was a transvestite? I want somebody to write out what would happen. I bet it would be interesting.)

In other words, I believe same sex marriage should be allowed.