I'm just gonna put my two cents in now....

People are people.

A yellow banana that likes another yellow banana as opposed to a yellow banana that likes an orange is still a godamn YELLOW BANANA!

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should be legal, the gays should be just as miserable as the rest of us. they have no right to be happy while the rest of us are not.

This made me smile. I for one am against marriage as a whole(though I may be biased due to blahblah long story) But if two CONSENTIING (LEGALLY RECOGINZED) ADULTS want to then what the hell is the problem?

"I don't care if you're black, white, straight, bisexual, gay, lesbian, short, tall, fat, skinny, rich or poor. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you." -Eminem

This quote just seemed to fit here... I agree with Eminem!

I think that gay couples should have the option of choosing marriage, but if they don't want to they don't have to. 🙂 And I totally agree with the post above me 😀

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funny....i thought i heard something about newton taken a liking to guy in the video i watched in science..i remembered that because some people in our class was worked up over him after watching the video, asking the teacher...etc...perhaps i'm wrong....anyway, with da vinci - "His most intimate relationships were with his pupils Salai and Melzi, Melzi writing that Leonardo's feelings for him were both loving and passionate." (they're both male) - from wiki....anyhow, i still like ellen despite her interest...

if you didn't know anyone can write on wiki and put whatever they want

First of all, I support gay rights. Just don't get touchy in front of me 🤢

Second of all, every "great" man or woman has been called gay at one time or another, or has hod some so called "dirt" thrown on them. People say da Vinci was gay(he probably was), the call Newton gay, and they call Gandhi gay. If you're famous enough, they don't stop hounding you for scandalous information even if you are dead.

There are times when you will miss what you never had. I wonder how you will find what you so desperately need.

in the end of the day, marriages is about the law, isn't it. it's all about responsibility, chain of responsibility, naming rights, divorce settlement, child bearing rights, insurance and matrimonial property claims, medical rights and allowance etc..

does gender, number, race or anything else matters?

clearly this conversation is going nowhere,we cannot answer this question ,simply because everyone has their own definition of right and wrong
i respect all the opinions here and so i expect you to respect mine as well,since i am also entitled to my own opinion
i have been raised in a family where religion is important,i believe in god,and yes i do think marriage is a religious matter
i understand that homosexuals and athiests might disagree with this,but this is what i think,i understand that gays and lesbians chose this path and are ready to face the consequences,i respect that,simply because i cannot change that,everyone makes their own desicions in life,however,i have to disagree with same sex marriage,why?first of all,as i mentioned before i believe that marriage IS a religious matter,and claiming this wrong just because alot of people dont agree ,is wrong,because some people still do,second,when the world was created...rules,basics,morals,ethics and beliefs were also created,man was made for woman and vice versa this is how it should be(atleast thats what i think)if we stop following the trend we will be disrupting the human cycle.

sorry to all gays and lesbians,please do not be offended,i was merely expressing my opinion 🙄

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clearly this conversation is going nowhere,we cannot answer this question ,simply because everyone has their own definition of right and wrong

And why exactly do you think "clearly this conversation is going nowhere"?

In my opinion, sexual orientation is a free, personal choice; religion, "rules," and whatever else are irrelevant. Marriage is a contract that shows proof of two people who are genuinely devoted to each other.

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"I don't care if you're black, white, straight, bisexual, gay, lesbian, short, tall, fat, skinny, rich or poor. If you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you." -Eminem

This quote just seemed to fit here... I agree with Eminem!

Also sums up my thoughts.

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You are like the dense main character in a shoujo manga.

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And you will murder someone one day, pika. If you're my daughter.

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first of all,as i mentioned before i believe that marriage IS a religious matter,and claiming this wrong just because alot of people dont agree ,is wrong,because some people still do

Well. The ceremony and stuff certainly is. However the legal union isn't, because (in most countries at least) of secularity (? not sure about this word, well the governement and religion are separated)
Nobody is asking the church to throw parties to celebrate gay people. (nobody is right? 😲 )
We're talking about the legal union here, which IS totally unrelated to religion. And you can't say that this is wrong just because you don't agree 😉

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when the world was created...rules,basics,morals,ethics and beliefs were also created,man was made for woman and vice versa this is how it should be(atleast thats what i think)if we stop following the trend we will be disrupting the human cycle.

those moral and stuff were created by men, not by the world. (and a lot of them were created by religion.)

i understand that gays and lesbians chose this path and are ready to face the consequences,i respect that,simply because i cannot change that,everyone makes their own desicions in life

Finally this made me smile. You respect it because you can't change it, meaning if you could you would. By the way did you chose to be straight? I don't like this answer myself, but what you're saying it like gay people made a wrong choice and now they have to face consequences (bs).

Ps: the fact that you're simply "expressing your opinion" doesn't mean people wouldn't get offended by it, I mean religion is important to you right? You would be offended if other people talked badly of it just over expressing their opinion. That's normal.

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clearly this conversation is going nowhere,we cannot answer this question ,simply because everyone has their own definition of right and wrong

And why exactly do you think "clearly this conversation is going nowhere"?

In my opinion, sexual orientation is a free, personal choice; religion, "rules," and whatever else are irrelevant. Marriage is a contract that shows proof of two people who are genuinely devoted to each other.

no no no! i dont think i explained myself clearly....my point is this:
ok a man and a woman got married and had a child(lets call him bob 😛 ) as bob grew up he decided to choose the path of homosexuality. what do i think?im not against this,this is his disicion ,thats what he chose

bob falls in love with another guy...
BUT.here's where i disagree:
bob and that guy got married and adopted a child,the problem is that this child will not make a disicion of his own,he wont develop his own opinion of homosexuality

you see,if u chose to be a homosexual on your own thats alright but when u're living in such an environment dont u think the child is most likely feel obliged to follow his parents' path,one might argue that"no he might choose being straight" but i dont think thats likely to happen

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first of all,as i mentioned before i believe that marriage IS a religious matter,and claiming this wrong just because alot of people dont agree ,is wrong,because some people still do

Well. The ceremony and stuff certainly is. However the legal union isn't, because (in most countries at least) of secularity (? not sure about this word, well the governement and religion are separated)
Nobody is asking the church to throw parties to celebrate gay people. (nobody is right? 😲 )
We're talking about the legal union here, which IS totally unrelated to religion. And you can't say that this is wrong just because you don't agree 😉

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when the world was created...rules,basics,morals,ethics and beliefs were also created,man was made for woman and vice versa this is how it should be(atleast thats what i think)if we stop following the trend we will be disrupting the human cycle.

those moral and stuff were created by men, not by the world. (and a lot of them were created by religion.)

i understand that gays and lesbians chose this path and are ready to face the consequences,i respect that,simply because i cannot change that,everyone makes their own desicions in life

Finally this made me smile. You respect it because you can't change it, meaning if you could you would. By the way did you chose to be straight? I don't like this answer myself, but what you're saying it like gay people made a wrong choice and now they have to face consequences (bs).

Ps: the fact that you're simply "expressing your opinion" doesn't mean people wouldn't get offended by it, I mean religion is important to you right? You would be offended if other people talked badly of it just over expressing their opinion. That's normal.

im not saying gay people made a wrong choice and i think u misunderstood wat i meant by "consequences"...im talking about consequences like this one here ,where people are arguing about their rights

when i said i cant change that,i was implying that,stuff like "i am a homosexual" or "i am straight" or "i believe in god" or "i am an athiest" are all basic desicions u make as soon as u start to mature.if i chose to be straight then thats it,noone can change my mind,same goes for homosexuals

i apologise if my opinion has offended you,but i think u misuderstood most of what i said

all marriage should be illegal (or not recognized by the government)

@sarah-eats-cupcakes
Ahhh~ I'm too lazy to quote.

You're talking about two other different matters concerning homosexuality here.
First: Do we chose our sexuality? (I'm assuming you do after reading your answers)
Second: Adoption by homosexual couples (even if it's the biological child of one person in the couple, the other still has to adopt it to be recognized as parent)

Hum, this is going too far off from the subject isn't it? (if not then I'd gladly edit later on)

Ps: following your opinion of which Bob choosed to be gay, then he didn't feel the need to be like his parents.

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So, I checked the original post, and all I'm supposed to do is give my opinion...so...

If you're homosexual and you want to marry you should be allowed to.

Churches, seeing as though they are against it, shouldn't be forced to give the "sacrament of marriage," but in terms of legally being recognized as a married couple I see no reason to stop same sex marriage.

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@sarah-eats-cupcakes
Ahhh~ I'm too lazy to quote.

You're talking about two other different matters concerning homosexuality here.
First: Do we chose our sexuality? (I'm assuming you do after reading your answers)
Second: Adoption by homosexual couples (even if it's the biological child of one person in the couple, the other still has to adopt it to be recognized as parent)

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but they are related arent they?the second matter would affect the first

Ps: following your opinion of which Bob choosed to be gay, then he didn't feel the need to be like his parents.

meh..u're ryt but still,since bob was a child in a straight family he has more freedom of choice
an adopted child in a homosexual family wont have as much freedom since his parents will be athiests,hes most likely to grow up to be one himself BUT bob chose being an athiest simply because thats what he believes to be the right path,he has more freedom of choice

Ahem...some people seem to think that a person chooses their sexual orientation. Not true. People are born that way.

Anyways, I support same sex marriage and adoption of children by same sex couples. If two people want to be together in a legally recognized contract they should be able to. It's not like it hurts anyone else.

For the adoption part, there are lots of kids that don't have parents and preventing them from getting parents seems criminal. Someone mentioned bullying as a concern. That would be true in certain countries, but at least where I am from being openly homophobic is not socially acceptable. Rather, I don't think the kid would have any more problems than any other kid their age. And I don't believe the parents' sexuality would affect the kid's sexuality either way. It just doesn't work like that.