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My two cents:

I agree that lolicon, shotacon, etc. does contribute to a negative international image of Japan's modern culture. However, I don't really give a hoot whether they ban it or not, since I never had any interest in that stuff in the first place. Governments are right to show some concern, since it does include illustrated child porn, technically, when you look at the adult side of the market.

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Child porn needs to gtfo in all mediums. (and rape)

As a socially and morally acceptable person, you should not be enjoying these types of things to begin with. And a large spread of such content breeds acceptance and increase in the number of people who do enjoy them (even if it's just 2d). This is not just about harming real people in turn, it is just not socially acceptable. Could anyone proudly stand in a middle of people and say that you enjoy 2D child porn? I really don't think so.

Also, any argument saying "I don't do this or that even though I like this or that" is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event. The counter part statement of "I do enjoy doing it in real life after experiencing a simulation" is obviously never going to be said -- unless they feel like having FBI after them.

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Also, any argument saying "I don't do this or that even though I like this or that" is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event. The counter part statement of "I do enjoy doing it in real life after experiencing a simulation" is obviously never going to be said -- unless they feel like having FBI after them.

Because everyone who reads incest actually wants to do it with their siblings.
Because everyone who reads loli/shota is actually a pedophile.
Because everyone who gets a kick out of a simulation wants it in real life?

Is that what you're trying to say?
I'm sorry to disappoint, but:

*I do NOT want a piece of any 3D "loli". Life just can't imitate the art. Even when they DO somehow get me excited, they're usually some 14-17 year old dressed up like a slut (you can't tell the difference)
*I do NOT wanna commit incest.
*I do NOT wanna rape anyone. Even if she's the hottest female on the planet.

Have you even read ANY title from those genres?
It's not ALWAYS about the sex, you know.
That's the problem with all the haters. They're quick to call others perverts and yet all they're thinking of is sex.

Stop overgeneralizing people.
Every incident depends on the individual.
Just mind your goddamn business or at least do your research (thoroughly) before judging.


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Child porn needs to gtfo in all mediums. (and rape)

You're completely right.

Only problem is that lolicon/shotacon are... hmm, how should I explain this so that you understand... THEY ARE NOT REAL. Period. If they were real children, then yes, they'd need to get arrested/examined or whatever immediately. Your standpoint is actually implying that people can't differentiate between fiction and reality. And in the rare case that they can't, you're actually basing your standpoint on outliers then, which makes for a pretty flimsy hypothesis if you ask me.

"Let's ban cartoons from containing any type of humans flying, since children are easily influenced, and might assume that flying is possible too -- leading to severe accidents including fatal ones." <-- that is EXACTLY what you're saying. The content is different, but it's still the same thought pattern. Actually, in this case, we're talking about adults who are supposed to be even more aware of the world and its workings...

I avoid lolicon myself, but I find this a ridiculous law made
by people who don't understand what they're judging at all.



Edit: Scyfon makes a really good point with the incest comparison too...

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I really don't care weather they ban things or not bvut in the particuler case banning it is not the answer. they only thing you will achive it forcing it undergriound where there are no regulations and people going to the extreme to get it.

i think people have the common sense to self gorven and a gorvenments job is meary to keep socity togeather and a country strong and not telling people what crap they should fill thier minds with. if children getting hold of it is what they fear then the should make laws that will make it harder and not laws that will force people to go to extreme. if people are will to kill thier parents just so they can play a game then who knows what they would do if you take away loli's.

i am against anithing that promots abuse but banning things arent always the answer. taking away cigerates form people doesn't mean they will quit it just means they will smoke something else which could potentialy be more dangerious.

I do art and i feel that any form of art or literature should not be censored but people should be claerly wanned befor hand of what they are about to view.

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i think if anything it should be all those rape mangas/anime/games that should be banned and even that i think would be fucked up, i mean like i hate rape and absolutely dont want to read rape hentai but its not real and it could be an important part of a story or some such so i dont think it should be banned...just saying

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Nothing should ever be censored in any media. If you don´t like it don´t watch/read/play it.

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and/or be a better parent.

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the loli/shota <that is being talked about herer wherein children do stuff like this nd that> is a very explicit form of manga.. and i think that <from my opinion> its not good to read this... but i am not stereotyping anybody here... its just me.. so i guess that its alright that the government starts caring about this things and get things more organized... the youth are the worlds hope afterall..
but heck.. its as if i really care...

anyways... i have really saw this coming.. i mean.. how many times have been threads like this made?? and how many more times are threads like this gonna be made again?? only time will tell... anyways... enjoy the loliness when you still can!!~ smile wink grin

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Child porn needs to gtfo in all mediums. (and rape)

As a socially and morally acceptable person, you should not be enjoying these types of things to begin with. And a large spread of such content breeds acceptance and increase in the number of people who do enjoy them (even if it's just 2d). This is not just about harming real people in turn, it is just not socially acceptable. Could anyone proudly stand in a middle of people and say that you enjoy 2D child porn? I really don't think so.

Also, any argument saying "I don't do this or that even though I like this or that" is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event. The counter part statement of "I do enjoy doing it in real life after experiencing a simulation" is obviously never going to be said -- unless they feel like having FBI after them.


I'm sorry but you obviously have a problem with separating reality and fantasy.
I've read some loli but as everyone else has mentioned: I find real CP disgusting and I have never looked at a child sexually.

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My two cents:
I agree that lolicon, shotacon, etc. does contribute to a negative international image of Japan's modern culture. However, I don't really give a hoot whether they ban it or not, since I never had any interest in that stuff in the first place. Governments are right to show some concern, since it does include illustrated child porn, technically, when you look at the adult side of the market.


CHILD PORN CONSTITUTES ANYONE IN A SEXUAL SITUATION UNDER THE AGE OF 18

So all those high schoolers having sex in the shoujo smut I love? Child porn.
Despite that high schoolers DO have sex it is still child porn and will be banned.
I HATE that. D:<

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Child porn needs to gtfo in all mediums. (and rape)

As a socially and morally acceptable person, you should not be enjoying these types of things to begin with. And a large spread of such content breeds acceptance and increase in the number of people who do enjoy them (even if it's just 2d). This is not just about harming real people in turn, it is just not socially acceptable. Could anyone proudly stand in a middle of people and say that you enjoy 2D child porn? I really don't think so.

Also, any argument saying "I don't do this or that even though I like this or that" is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event. The counter part statement of "I do enjoy doing it in real life after experiencing a simulation" is obviously never going to be said -- unless they feel like having FBI after them.

yeah my brother <or sister> tell it like it is!!!
for the record i kindda agree with him <her>... biggrin

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I agree that that child porn is wrong but its not a case of it being socially wrong or immoral due to the simple fact that the world is made up of many forms of both. sex with someone under the age of 18 is socially and morally wrong now in the United states but it was the case a few 150 years ago, and may not be the case now in some countries. I personally see this bill as something the Japanese government is doing to try and clean up their international image. Don't know if it'll work and I doubt it will have much of an effect at all.

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Nothing should ever be censored in any media. If you don´t like it don´t watch/read/play it.

That logic is flawed. If someone came out with a video game/book/TV Show and it was blatantly racist (Let's say towards Asians for example), should those Asians just ignore it instead of fight back against the racism?

Anyway, Doc basically summed up what I was gonna say right here:

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Only problem is that lolicon/shotacon are... hmm, how should I explain this so that you understand... THEY ARE NOT REAL. Period. If they were real children, then yes, they'd need to get arrested/examined or whatever immediately. Your standpoint is actually implying that people can't differentiate between fiction and reality. And in the rare case that they can't, you're actually basing your standpoint on outliers then, which makes for a pretty flimsy hypothesis if you ask me.

"Let's ban cartoons from containing any type of humans flying, since children are easily influenced, and might assume that flying is possible too -- leading to severe accidents including fatal ones." <-- that is EXACTLY what you're saying. The content is different, but it's still the same thought pattern. Actually, in this case, we're talking about adults who are supposed to be even more aware of the world and its workings...

I avoid lolicon myself, but I find this a ridiculous law made
by people who don't understand what they're judging at all.

Personally, I think that it all depends on the person's psyche. The only thing I'm kinda wary about is that there's still a chance that a normal person with good mental health would go and actually take it one step further (Cause people have gone from perfectly healthy to crazy once they get too bored with a certain thing and decide to take it to the next level).

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maybe , if there is an age restriction like " this is adult thing , you may get this but you have to reach .... age". Old one comes from young one , but old one is more realistic than young one , i mean if you old enough you can tell the differences between reality and fantasy, coz they have knew about social complex ( i mean its really really complexsssssss )
freedom is not good anymore if it harm another people (thats why law exist) , freedom w/o limits go day dreaming
and 2D porn can be a factor too if its watch/read/play by underage

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