This is your original statement:
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Child porn needs to gtfo in all mediums. (and rape)
As a socially and morally acceptable person, you should not be enjoying these types of things to begin with. And a large spread of such content breeds acceptance and increase in the number of people who do enjoy them (even if it's just 2d). This is not just about harming real people in turn, it is just not socially acceptable. Could anyone proudly stand in a middle of people and say that you enjoy 2D child porn? I really don't think so.
Also, any argument saying "I don't do this or that even though I like this or that" is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event. The counter part statement of "I do enjoy doing it in real life after experiencing a simulation" is obviously never going to be said -- unless they feel like having FBI after them.
Where to start? Should I start with how narrow-minded and TEMPORARY our views on morality is or should I start with the fact that aside from some general points of morality, it isn't actually shared throughout the world? Let us start with this. "Child" or children is something that was developed shortly before or during the industrial revolution, particularly during the development of childhood fairytales. Before this, children were thought of as young adults, with chores similar to young adults to learn them as they grow up and yes, if they reach the point of puberty, to be married off and to have kids. It is only after the industrial revolution that you begin to see the term child or children being coined, and as time goes on, this term has become the center of much extreme circumstances ranging from what kinds as abuse versus punishment, to even child porn.
Your thoughts on what is "socially" and "morally" right is limited to your surroundings and what you grew up believing. Ask a rapist, a convicted serial killer, a cop, and a child what socially or morally right is to them and it's going to be very different. Ask a group of people from different parts of the world what socially and morally right is, and there will be those who will justify murder. Ask anybody from a different time period, and you're definitely going to find people who said slavery was all right.
What you call socially and morally right is something you claim through your ethnocentric mind, yet there are even people in your own society who will view your social and moral rights as a definite wrong. It isn't to say that childhood porn isn't wrong, no one here is arguing that, but what is definitely wrong is your narrow-minded view on the subject. The topic to discussion isn't child pornography, it is the possible risque situations of characters that "appear" to be underage. Remove the quotes and the appear, and let's just say blatantly underage, it does not change the issue.
The issue is, that censorship is pushing their rules onto artists and different artistic mediums just because it is thought as unconventional to some or even strange. This censorship is pushing to dictate what social freedoms that people are free to express. For those who watch south park, such censorship has led to the heavy censoring of the recent episode (which funny enough, they made fun of it in the past and yet it seems the same situation has happened to them). For those of you who have seen the anime Toshokan Sensou, the concept is taken to an extreme, but the message is the same. Censorship takes away the freedom of expression of artists and of the people, and yet "YOU" can claim that this is a "socially" and "morally" right act?
Let me reiterate. Stripping artists of the artistic freedom of expression is socially and morally right?
But let us look at some of the mangas in particular that are being targeted for this censorship. It can vary from dance in the vampire bund, where the young appearance is merely physical (and can change into adult, and alongside this would be mahou sensei negima), kodomo no jikan where loli seems to be quite the main theme, and hard core hentai.
For dance in the vampire bund, the fact that she has a child-like body is actually a part of the plot, and although I don't want to spoil it for people, she maintains a child appearance so that she doesn't have to mate with the other three vampires. Whether it is blatant fanservice, or not, the romance in the story crosses several comparisons, not only at the age aspect, (a young girl who has to stay young to protect her romance, yet it is the very same thing inhibiting it from growing), but the supernatural (eternal young) aspect as well.
For Kodomo no Jikan, probably one of the more controversial titles, although the series specifically targets and blatantly labels the childrens' ages, it is done so to show the complicated psyche these children possess, the modern problems or issues in society, and the problems within the education sector. The issues and questions brought up are not only about the moral struggles of a young teacher, but early childhood imprinting of morality (right and wrong) and concepts of love (first loves and fake loves). Turn a blind eye to it all you want, many people in the world can actually read this and understand the complicated issues that are brought up, and although they are emotional and moral issues, or perhaps BECAUSE they are emotional and moral issues, they have a stronger impact that helps to reinforce modern morality and even laws.
Lastly, i shouldn't have to say much about the hentai branch of loli-ism, as i've went through that in a previous post, but to reiterate, such perversions exist within the minds of some individuals, whether they choose to have them or not. These perversions will often grow to the point of snapping and what you see is an epidemic of child molestations. Loli hentai, like most pornographies, help ease the pressure on these individuals, allowing them to feed their fetishes without harming anyone, which compared to the other option, would lead to much more damage. Sure, there are going to be some individuals that do it anyways and the hentai might bring it out of them, but these individuals would've succumbed to their fetishes even if hentai didn't exist.
And I know I'm ranting, but "any argument saying "I don't do this or that even though I like this or that" is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event" (directly quoted), am I the only one who sees this? Where to begin? Well, for starters, the "I don't do this" type of argument may be a single case, but these single cases is what builds up to become what is known as STATISTICS, and judging from the replies of in this thread so far, it seem a large majority of the ones here have the same agreement. That's the population of a small website, expand to different areas, gather those single cases, and guess what, you have a more global statistic. Taa daa~.
But the bigger point that you're missing here is that by your very own definition of "socially" and "morally" right, "I don't do this or even though I like this or that" argument is the exact argument that is supposed to be correct. People AREN'T supposed to have sexual perversions towards children, and if they are secure and comfortable with it, they can read loli-content mangas without problems. But finally, we get to the root of it all. The way your social and moral rights seems to be, the majority of civilized society should not have sexual preferences towards children, and if this is the true case of the matter, then it is the ACTUAL child molestation events that are "single cases" and therefore fail to properly compose an argument, not the other way around.
If you can't understand that, then let me reiterate, most people are not child molesters, therefore they can read uncensored and risky subject mangas without growing perversions. It is those that do act out or grow a perversion that are the single cases, and therefore (by your own argument) "is not an argument, as it only defines a single case event."Thank you for reading, quite long but it should cover most of the points brought up so far on the issue.
Don't watch television? If you happen to not be mature enough to separate the two realms and cannot switch between fantasy an reality perhaps you should restrain yourself from insulting the intelligence of others who can do this "complex" intiation.
It can be offensive to our realm but in no way does that mean it is viral.
