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Shonen Jump Monthly here in the US is a joke. I remember when the anime airing in Cartoon Network actually passed the manga. I was like "Why do I even buy this?"

i dont think naruto airing in the u.s. did any justice for the series. :/ and lol i dont pay attention to monthly manga magazines. xp

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Shonen Jump Monthly here in the US is a joke. I remember when the anime airing in Cartoon Network actually passed the manga. I was like "Why do I even buy this?"

i dont think naruto airing in the u.s. did any justice for the series. :/ and lol i dont pay attention to monthly manga magazines. xp

Actually, airing the anime in Cartoon Network was what i thought was the series' best move thus far. The fanbase exploded in the US.

I have now decided to only buy volumes here that I have not read before.

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Shonen Jump Monthly here in the US is a joke. I remember when the anime airing in Cartoon Network actually passed the manga. I was like "Why do I even buy this?"

i dont think naruto airing in the u.s. did any justice for the series. :/ and lol i dont pay attention to monthly manga magazines. xp

Actually, airing the anime in Cartoon Network was what i thought was the series' best move thus far. The fanbase exploded in the US.

I have now decided to only buy volumes here that I have not read before.

oh, haha. i guess i didn't notice. i dont really pay attention to dubs that much.

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Okay, This is a very strange reply, but if I was a US publisher right now, I'd be VERY concerned about price.

As a fan of manga for years, many of the series' I love have been introduced to me through scantlation, and many series I love still have never been translated fully. If manga translations are to be charged for online by the regional publisher, then I would want it to be available to me as a download in some format, high quality and they can tack on some DRM if they want, cause DRM is useless even for ebooks...
And finally, translation within one day of being released in JP

Now for the price breakdown....
I'm taking these numbers from a torrent tracker and the figures of downloads from completed files as I guess it's my only way to find out how many people read a chapter. I read one piece weekly so i'll get my figures from chapter 591. Italian group downloads are at 2464 and english group is at 418 completed downloads (the RAW figure is much higher but i'll use just these figures for the data)
2882 people total read that chapter from that one source now rounding this up to 2900 and I have my guide number, now beware...this is where I make no sense.
I'm not going to include bandwith costs in this, as it will just lengthen this

Let's say they employ 6 people to get the chapter released and all 6 work for 6 hours. in the UK the minimum wage for over 22's is £5.80 because this is work on a deadline, let's call their hourly rate £11.60, to release one chapter it would cost £417.60 overall

now for the cost per chapter, let's say one volume of manga in the stores is £6 which it is here, now...let's say there are 8 chapters average in a volume...that works out as £0.75 per chapter.
If we cut the price by two thirds we get an average rate of 50 pence per chapter. for this price you OWN the chapter and are free to download it from their servers as long as you have your account. I think this price is fair, although personally I think £0.40p per chapter is the perfect price for a digital chapter.

Now to work out profit margins per chapter. we have 2900 people who would download and keep the chapter, if they all pay £0.50 the gross earnings are £1450 per chapter, once we deduct the wages of the staff involved in the translation, their final profit would be £1032.40 per chapter.

in my mind the subscription fee is pretty important for people who used services such as onemanga, for this i'll use the Zunepass as a guide, zunepass is $15 for one months access to unlimited content. you get 10 song downloads which is $10 in value, so you pay the other $5 for access to the other music that you don't keep but listen to...
For manga we'll use that for streaming only, you get 10 downloads a month included in your cost, which will be two thirds of your cost. which works out as £7.50, it's a fair price, and anything over your ten downloads you'd pay for out of your own pocket.

Price that I say per chapter of a digital format : £0.50GBP/$0.80USD
Price per volume : £4.50GBP/$7USD
Subscription fee w/ 10 downloads a month : £7.50/$12

now these calculations were based around one piece using a dual-language format, now, because there's no way to know how many people WOULD read the chapter every week, we don't know what their income stream could be, if I use a manga like bakuman, they operate at a loss with translation on a single language. however this is up to publishers to take the risk of licensing a series like that, and the profit from larger series' is what could keep their smaller ones running.

Digital distribution is a very awkward thing and needs a lot of time to be thought through to be perfected. Microsoft and Sony have perfected this in the gaming world, and Microsoft have done well in my opinion to have a subscription service AND a store service included in the same cost.

This is just the way i'd split it down, and this post will probably look very out of place. Thanks for reading, and hopefully people can comment on how they would break the price down if they were the publishers

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Hmm, so lets say they speed up translations and make it so that it accesible within a week or so from the actual release in japan with translation in manga? Like if bleach 503 came out a week after it did for japan except in english in the US or some other country.

There is no way to compete against a free product, the amount of translators they would have to employ to satisfy the wide demand would be very expensive, and there would still be scanlators out there doing the obscure and less popular series.

And keeping the comics from spreading would be impossible. If I bought some for online reading, they'd shortly be out in the free because that's the only way I'd see it worth it; that I bought them loose.

I can already buy music downloads online, but I don't, I pirate tons and buy real cds. I can buy movie downloads, but I don't, I pirate lots and buy real dvds. Books too, are available on "loan" from libraries online, I don't care for that, I'll find a pirated copy to download.

The structure of the web was made to spread information, or data, and there are always ways to spread and find what you want.

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Hmm, so lets say they speed up translations and make it so that it accesible within a week or so from the actual release in japan with translation in manga? Like if bleach 503 came out a week after it did for japan except in english in the US or some other country.

In my view, I wanted it done within 6 hours or 1 day, but 1 week isn't so bad, and decreases the need for so many staff =)
but yes, that's the best way it would work to ensure it was still being followed, The best example of a publisher speed translating still has to be Viz with their one piece catch-up..

but 1 week wouldn't bother most folks...as Maxmimum7 release their chapters about a week after publishing, and most people still wait for their releases...

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There is no way to compete against a free product, the amount of translators they would have to employ to satisfy the wide demand would be very expensive, and there would still be scanlators out there doing the obscure and less popular series.

And keeping the comics from spreading would be impossible. If I bought some for online reading, they'd shortly be out in the free because that's the only way I'd see it worth it; that I bought them loose.

I can already buy music downloads online, but I don't, I pirate tons and buy real cds. I can buy movie downloads, but I don't, I pirate lots and buy real dvds. Books too, are available on "loan" from libraries online, I don't care for that, I'll find a pirated copy to download.

The structure of the web was made to spread information, or data, and there are always ways to spread and find what you want.

You still support the industry, however, publishers can also use this as a trial to see which series' are worth publishing, continuing to publish and discontinue. you could love JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and not read the chapters online because you want to own it on paper rather than read the latest translation. However, then if everyone else does the same because " I could get it for free" the series will most likely be dropped. JJBA/Steel Ball Run is a good example of how this could change the industry, if publishers take less of a chance and risk by releasing it online first, only the fans can come out better from this...currently Steel Ball Run has 21 volumes, is released monthly and only has 16 volumes translated. If this was picked up by a publisher, there's a good chance if they have a solid schedule that you may be seeing chapter releases more often and steadily.

And if worst comes to worst and a series' does get dropped, translators will be out there in the wild to translate again

As for the subscription service, this is a nice way to do things, as you still support the industry for a small price, and you own 10 digital chapters as well. I don't see what's possibly wrong with this, you can read as much as you like and own 10 chapters every month, The creators and publishers still get their money, they get to see which series' are more popular and which makes more money, and you still get your translations on a steady schedule, possibly in much better quality.

If you choose to pirate, and you still buy though, good for you I guess in some small way, because there are always people who would never buy in the first place, for that, I suggest they go win the god damn darwin award. but sarcasm aside, if they really are into a product, let it be cancelled, let them know how it feels to lose something in the media that they really love, in the end it's their loss, sure a few others would lose out who genuinely bought the product, but sometimes people need to lose what they love the most to respect it, and I would love for all licensed manga to be wiped completely from the net. Through this they can hopefully learn how publishers work...

anyway rant over, and I guess welcome to Manga-updates for me on my second post =O

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Hmmm, very true, quite a bit flaws in my propistion, but there is always alittle editing in the plans that can be done.

not willing for online manga ....

I don't think i would...or if i was willing i couldn't.
mostly due to currency difference issues and well mostly not being able to buy stuff through the internet >.>;

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No I wouldn't because I just don't do this paying online for subscriptions.
I prefer paper copies anyway. I'd rather pay and keep it so I can read it again.

I prefer reading series for free then buying the tanks if I really enjoy the series...that is, if it's even offered over here. I've read enough series that ended up being real disappointments that I'd rather not risk my money on something I'd end up dissatisfied with.

maybe, if worse comes to worse.. and if my life would be too sad by then that i ciouldnt live without it.. then maybe.. but im also in the verge of saying no way... 😮

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I don't have a lot of money, but even though, if there is a good manga I'd buy it. The problem is: There are so many good manga, which are not available in German or English. I'm learning Japanese, but I don't think I will ever be able to read Japanese manga properly. Is that even possible for a non-Japanese?! I'm so depressed they want to take away (and already have taken away) some of the manga on mangafox and similar websites. Please make them stop! 😢

I think it would be okay to pay a little money each month, but if I pay for reading manga online, I want the artist/author to get some of the money, too. On the other hand I think that there are people (e.g. teenagers and children) who would have problems paying the fees since e.g. parents may not be content with a monthly fee. I don't know if everybody knows how to use paypall or online banking, too.
But everything would be better than not being able to read manga anymore! You can't do that to me!

AND: If I pay for reading scanlated manga, of course the scanlation groups should profit from it, too.

I wouldn't pay for online mangas. The same as paying for shitty mp3s. If I spent my money, i want something physical ... like a CD or a manga book. But since a lot of good mangas aren't even licenced and there's no other way to get them, I simply download them.

Another problem is that the english publisher would need a huge stuff to keep up with all the new stuff that is released. Just taking the fan scanlations and say: "pay for it, then it's legal" wouldn't be that fair...