Well, I wrote it all rather quick. I meant a review system based on ratings. Sorry for the unclarification. And yes, of course there will always be ones who ruin or tries to mess with the the values, but that's how each rating system is everywhere.

It's not even hard to make some kind of system that can take a user's general voting and compare it to other users'... if the difference is way too great and contrasted to all other votes the user can receive an automated warning. I've built a successful system using that, before. Wouldn't work unless the user puts many contrasted votes and not just one ill one, but still.

And I don't think it has much to do with the cannotation of telling someone they're unworthy, I think it's a medium of telling the scanlators what they could improve. There has been a need for such a medium for a long time.

One quite easier way of making the ratings oftenly be more valid is to force the user to also type a review of a certain minimum length that goes through a spam filter (ie. no repeated patterns or gibberish, etc).
The review requires the user to go into detail of what was good/bad, which eliminates the greater parts of users who simply: visit, quickly slaps on a few mean numbers, submits.

Almost only larger series or groups will attract reviews, and if they are in a scanlationwar with another group I believe the reviews can be used to not sink the other group, but actually help them with realizing their faults.

LMAO scanlator wars? I doubt it's as cool as it sounds but anyway those are some good ideas. Manick can you use any of this? Hmm... Yes just like with the request to update series the little box requiring you to write a message keeps tons of people out probably. Something a bit more detailed than that would work well also small one man groups may not ever get rated but at least we would know the difference in quality between for example NULL and Byaah there is a big difference in comparison so If I wanted to choose a new series from one of the two I would know which to choose from (byaah for speed and null for quality as well as choice of series and the fact that they actually scanlate and not just scan the english stuff)

Hard to compare between groups....But i mainly just want a way of comparing which group is TEH best...for the E-fame ofcourse...heheh...and no multiplying scores and stuff...speed (releases per day / releases during / period, to make it fairer for groups that have been inactive for a while and wants to climb) and L/M/H-Q is enough...

Make it like series stats or something... a few different lists that takes different to consideration....like 2-3 speed lists (like series or just global / halfyear) and a list with speed and quality both taken to consideration. Just quality isnt 'nuff scince there are a 1000 groups diveded to 3 ranks...

Brilliant Jonsi that is what i couldn't figure out for the speed system (soo simple T_T ) Yes the stats are not taken from the all time release frequency but just like series stats taken over the last 6 /3/1 months 😀 Thereby eleiminating the discrimination of inactive groups that are coming back again 😀

KISS - Keep it simple, Stupid...Worked for google, works for M-U...

three and one month are way too short periods for scanalators....A group could burst out chapter and gain unfair rank...a half year is minimum i think and then a global like we have now...releases every X day that is...So groups that have been there from the start gets their 15secs of E-fame..

KISS. Lmao. You sound like my old Lit teacher 😛 Oh well I actually didn't mean that we should use one or 3 months T_T I just said it wrong in my enthusiasm 🤢 sorry. I was only using that to reference to manick that the system would be similar to the one which outputs the stats for the series stats 😛 Six months is good enough it will also allow a good leverage because inactive groups won't jump back up with a few quick releases they will have to stick there and release stuff over a greater period of time before they change their rating in speed much . Get it?

Yes we all get it...now all that is left is to get manick implementing it...hehe

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One quite easier way of making the ratings oftenly be more valid is to force the user to also type a review of a certain minimum length that goes through a spam filter (ie. no repeated patterns or gibberish, etc).

We tried doing this with series comments a while back but people just didn't write comments or rate then... after we separated we got much more comments + ratings...

I'll keep you guys' ideas in mind for the new site design.

Unfortunately, some readers don't know how hard it is to get an "HQ" or sometims "MQ" scan from bad RAWs or when you're extremely understaffed (as in right now, I'm the only one really working in my group). It's good to see some healthy competition when scanlating, but when your releases are being totally ignored, it makes you feel disenheartened...

So, the review system seems a bit too detailed - and I know a lot of people wouldn't want to write out a detailed report on a group's work. And the HQ/MQ/LQ thing will drain out all attention from smaller/lesser known groups, giving them less of an even playing ground.

Well unless you are scanlating a manga that's already or concurrently being scanlated you won't be affected really by the rating your group gets in terms of lq /mq/hq . Cause if they are looking for that manga and you are the only one who did it they don't have a choice do they? So you are more affected by the popularity of the manga you're doing and that is not affected by this system so sorry 😛

The LQ/MQ/HQ thing is also useful for secondary releases made by the same group. i.e Shocwave have done LQ releases of Gantz, followed later by Higher quality ones, but sometimes getting good quality raws is hard like Phase3 has high quality chapters of Beck but has the odd LQ releases because of this.

I don't think quality rating of the scan will affect people in a way they already go about things. If they're looking for quality, then they'll go for a higher quality release. Even without a rating system for quality, once they download from a group, they will know in future which will give the quality they are expecting. With the popular series like Naruto/Bleach etc, for me it helps to get a HQ release (as well as decently translated) once off, than to get every version of the same chapter from several groups.

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I don't see what your problem is. you're blowing it way out of proportion

It looks like you're right since it seems that I'm the only one here that thinks that a simple rating system is a bad idea.

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It's just a rating system not a group bashing system.

Well, that's one of the reasons I don't like this suggestion: the whole system could be used as such.

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Furthermore if a group or person decides to stop scan;ating because of this well then that's just ridiculous. If they had any dedication (even a tiny bit) they would either try to improve or just continue doing their work. Scanlators don't really do it for praise really.

It could seem ridiculous but remember that they don't work for profit, they work for the fans. And if some of them begin to bash them they could take "measures" if they feel bothered by it (If they do take measures for something as simple as fans asking where the next release would be, imagine what they could do if they're mass bashed) albeit not as bad as the extreme hypothetical example that I gave earlier (stop scanlating) but bad notheless.

Another reason is that the only way that this kind of system could be completely harmless and positive is that the groups don't take the ratings seriously; and if they don't, why implement it in the first place?

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In the end websites like narutofan and evilempire end up getting a lot of credit. Believe me I saw tons of people so stupidly thanking evil empire for "doing " this manga or that manga.

Well, I don't think that any respectable group would be bothered by somebody who is 'smart enough' to think that a single group can scanlate hundreds of series at a time.

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This is also excellent if we're comparing groups doing the same series. So we can choose which to read for whatever reason . That's all.

As I said before: If a lot of groups are doing the same project the best thing you can do is download all of their releases and decide by yourself which one you'll read in the future.

But I do like Stmated suggestion:

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One quite easier way of making the ratings oftenly be more valid is to force the user to also type a review of a certain minimum length that goes through a spam filter (ie. no repeated patterns or gibberish, etc).
The review requires the user to go into detail of what was good/bad, which eliminates the greater parts of users who simply: visit, quickly slaps on a few mean numbers, submits.

A simple rate system that only rely in numbers is destined to simply serve as a categorized tool of division with little or no real use or purpuse for the scanlation groups. But on the contrary, a review system that would oblige the user to submit his/her critiques and commentaries would be good. It's not the same to say "this group deserve a 6" than say "You need to improve your leveling because in my opinion, the midtones are too lightened".

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I like the idea but I'm not sure about actually seeing it set in place. You know the whole good idea but doesn't actually work if you try it? (i.e. democracy and communism personal opinion)
If a scanlator or scanlating group wants to be reviewed/critique you could always put a review/critique section in your forum or website. Also, if the scanlator wishes to improve he/she can always visit one of the high quality groups, download the high quality scans. Compare it to his/hers. Look at the differences and improve. Or the group can get a quality checker.
If BU really does put one of these things in effect (since both combined doesn't seem to work) a review system would be more helpful than a rating one. Rating= numbers that really don't tell the scanlators or readers anything much. (also, it might not be nice to reject someone's rating if they really think that group deserves a 1 just because everyone else voted a 7 or something and it doesn't match everyone else's opinion.) Review = information that can really pinpoint places for the scanlators to improve and tells the reader why they should or shouldn't read stuff from that group. (Some people have very peculiar reasons for their ratings or opinions of a group).
HQ/MQ/LQ should be optional because the person might not have dled that particular release or it could be borderline.
Edit: If someone/group does stop scanlating because of this system (quite possible) it could mean that they think the rest of the world doesn't really want to read that particular manga (why else would a group get below 5 if they're the only one scanlating a particular manga?) Also, what if they don't wish to improve? Hey, the readers ARE getting it for free. (If they really want to read something they can buy the manga themselves and learn Japanese, maybe even live in Japan for the rest of their lives.)

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nice idea, but i think it will never happen, probably too hard to establish 🤢

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both ippy & NeoFireHawk have some important points there......i think it'll be too much of a waste of time to implement this system, because a group doesn't necessary work on all of their projects with the same enthusiasm, so if one person gives a 10 or something because he's reading a HQ project from that group, and another gives a 1 for a LQ project, then that won't really be helpful to the group to realize the changes that need to be make for their individual projects...also, most groups have a forum or an IRC channel already, and they also implement the chatterbox into their website to gather the comments and feedbacks....i think that because manga updates is just a website to report releases for the scanlating groups, but if you implement this system, it'll make it look like you're encouraging them to do more illegal scanlating for manga series....i also think that the easiest way would be to put up a poll to see whether people want a rating system in the first place....i believe that most people (including me) just download the group that produce the fastest release (with at least decent quality), so a rating system would be quite useless...like someone said earlier, most of manga readers & members on this website are leechers, so this wouldn't really matter to them....if certain groups want to get feedbacks or comments on the quality of their release, why don't they just put up a rating system in their own website/irc channel/forum?....

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