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Post #771909 - Reply to (#771904) by Transdude1996
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Right. Because we choose every situation and every challenge ourselves. Not like we can be thrown into situations we didn't want, out of malicious intent even.
Sometimes you learn not nearly enough for what you endured, and sometimes you end up a little broken. And that's okay, too.

Post #771910 - Reply to (#771909) by dreamer00013
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Right. Because we choose every situation and every challenge ourselves.

Yes, we do. Life is nothing more than hundreds of thousands of choices happening every single day, and where we go is nothing more than a product of those choices accumulating over time. There's only TWO choices your entire life that you cannot control at all and that's the date and location of your birth and the genetics you are born with, and the moment you die (And, even then, that second one can be debated on). Everything in between is your decision.

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Post #771913 - Reply to (#771910) by Transdude1996
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While that is technically true, practically this only works if every person is omniscient and completely self-sufficient.

You can choose to not go to the bank. But you can't choose to not get shot down by the bank robber.

So yes each person can choose their own path but it's impossible to know what is gonna happen on it when making that choice.

Or are you actually gonna say, bad choice, you just were not prepared, when a piece of space rock hits me from above while I'm sleeping in my crib?

Obviously we are responsible for most things that happen to us during our life. But you also have to get to the point where you can make these coices and then you still have to hope that everything turns out as you want it to...

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Post #771915 - Reply to (#771913) by Lorska
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Two questions:
1. How does that contradict what I posted?
2. Are you seriously advocating that people should live their entire life "sheltered and protected" (When no such thing exists, and you're lying to yourself if you think there is) because of EXTREMELY RIDCULOUS "What-ifs"? So ridiculous, in fact, that the former has only ONE event in the entire history of mankind, and the latter having a complete lack of ever taking place in the past few decades (Unless you count the nine deaths in Nigeria, every other article is about the gunman being shot by a civilian which goes against your point and shows people taking charge in life and choosing not to be a victim).

To bring it to something more "practical", yes, you can walk onto the street and get hit by a bus. Why did you choose to not bother to look both ways and become aware of your surroundings?

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Post #771917 - Reply to (#771902) by dreamer00013
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dreamer00013 and Lorska, you should keep in mind one of the earliest and most important rules of the internet: Don't feed the trolls. (why he's even allowed on the forum, when it's clear that he does nothing other than a textbook definition of trolling, remains a mystery to me)

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he does nothing other than a textbook definition of trolling

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Post #771920 - Reply to (#771915) by Transdude1996
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first this:
2. I'm not. That's just your assumption.

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Right. Because we choose every situation and every challenge ourselves.

Yes, we do.


It does contradict what you posted. Again, on a technical level you are correct, we are making (pretty much) all choices in our life and those lead to situations or challenges. Technically. Practically there are things we have either so little control over or are just incapable of assessing, that it doesn't matter.
You chose the path to the outcome, not the outcome.

Your example of getting hit by a bus because you didn't look is a bad one, because it's a preventable and likely outcome.

Anyway, enough entertainment from you for now, enjoy your discussions :*

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Post #771921 - Reply to (#771920) by Lorska
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It does contradict what you posted.

Quote from Transdude1996
There's only TWO choices your entire life that you cannot control at all and that's the date and location of your birth and the genetics you are born with, and the moment you die (And, even then, that second one can be debated on). Everything in between is your decision.


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Again, on a technical level you are correct, we are making (pretty much) all choices in our life and those lead to situations or challenges. Technically. Practically there are things we have either so little control over or are just incapable of assessing, that it doesn't matter.

Let me see if I'm understanding this right, you're agreeing that people DO have control over their life, but then try to plead ignorance as an excuse for why they don't do anything? You're using ignorance as an excuse in the age of the internet? Where we can literally access the knowledge and wonders of the universe at the touch of a button?

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Let's try again.

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Right. Because we choose every situation and every challenge ourselves. <-- sarcasm

Yes, we do. <-- your answer


Tell me how you googled where the next mass shooting takes place when you are 3 years old and how you managed to not get shot there because you told you parents that you won't go there.

Ignorance =/= not being omniscient

To put it in really simple terms because you seem to only address stuff you like:
You don't choose every situation and challenge. You make choices that lead to those. You can decide to go to college to get a nice degree, but you can't choose the degree. You could just get shot on your first day on the campus.

You are talking about something completely different. While everything between life and death is your own choice, we have imperfect information during that time. Even after things happened you still have imperfect information about different outcomes because your current information is based on things that happened, not on things that did not happen.

So yes, you do have control over everything you do.
But no, you can't choose every situation or challenge. At best you chose a path that leads to the highest probability of producing that result.

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Post #771927 - Reply to (#771923) by Lorska
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Tell me how you googled where the next mass shooting takes place when you are 3 years old and how you managed to not get shot there because you told you parents that you won't go there.

QUICK QUESTION: Is real life so devoid of actual occurances for you to use as examples that you have to keep resorting to the most unrealistic and hypothetical claims that anyone would ever fathom?
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In other words, why are all of your examples fictional? Do you have anything from real life to pull from?


Also, you do realize your argument of "you still have imperfect information about different outcomes because your current information is based on things that happened" falls apart when human nature and actions hasn't changed one iota in 6000+ years of history that we have on record, and that those 6000 years of history have had innumerable "scholars and intellects" repeating the same exact "revelations" (Regardless of societal structure, geographic location, racial and sexual differences, and technological progression) that still apply to this very day. Long story short, nothing has changed, people act the same, and you're trying to use that as a basis for "You cannot possibly predict what may happen".



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