last time i asked if we were worrying about this here, i was dismissed as being alarmist and there was no real reason to worry.

manga of all kind is not being put into the porn section in stores if they are even carrying/will continue to carry them now.

tokyo mx basically said they are probably just going to give up broadcasting late night anime, and they are will not higher (at least probably wont, but who are we kidding) people with an interest in anime any more.

as the date gets closer and closer, are we starting to worry, at lest like i was when it first passed, or is everyone but me assuming that manga will just no longer be able to depict a relationship with characters who are both under 18, same sex, in a school setting, or anything else that is covered by EXTREMELY open interpretations?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Metropolitan_Ordinance_Regarding_the_Healthy_Development_of_Youths#Revision_of_2010

All the details.

Basically, no more child porn for you... as long as its in manga form. The wording of the law leaves actual pictures of children open for interpretation though. Which is messed up.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Metropolitan_Ordinance_Regarding_the_Healthy_Development_of_Youths#Revision_of_2010

All the details.

Basically, no more child porn for you... as long as its in manga form. The wording of the law leaves actual pictures of children open for interpretation though. Which is messed up.

the bill is FAR more open ended than that wiki is describing.

I never said that it was a comprehensive analysis, but having checked out the bill myself, I felt that this was a fair summary for anyone not really interested in the technicalities of it.

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TheShawn's post is right. it is because there are no actual child abuse problem in japan. even if there is, it is the lowest in the world. the other countries think the people in their countries may actually attempt something if they read any shota or loli manga. also real child porn is in other countries. restricting something to those under 18 is ok but banning something because they believe people will forget the real world and do something criminal is what i hate. japan is mostly a atheist country so no matter how much a person is obsessed with something, they don't do anything for real. the readers or viewers of anthing pornographic/violent/extremeactionflicks must understand that fiction is fiction. but the countries always need a assurance so that people can remain imitators and parents can skip their responsibilities of controlling what their children can have. anyway i was just venting my frustrations on this matter. i don't intent to start a flame war. i am a big fan of movies, video games, anime and manga of every genre. but i have real world awareness and know that they are just entertainment.

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I never said that it was a comprehensive analysis, but having checked out the bill myself, I felt that this was a fair summary for anyone not really interested in the technicalities of it.

i'm assuming that you also somewhat know whats already happening in tokyo in preparation for the ban, in some places even shonen jump has been moved to the porn area and is unpurchasable by a minor. one yoai mangaka if i remember right, i'm not looking it up to be 100% was told their series was coming to an end due to having a school setting.

the original scope of the bill was to only limit the loli content, as in the ones that aren't porn but have REALLY suggestive themes, as in ones that only really have an older audience, and that could have been expectable, due to the demographic. but the revised bill took out the loli restriction, giveing it a far to wide of a scope.

probably the best non anime subscription station, is considering not airing anime anymore once this bill gets passed, and is discriminating against people who like anime due to it.

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TheShawn's post is right. it is because there are no actual child abuse problem in japan. even if there is, it is the lowest in the world. the other countries think the people in their countries may actually attempt something if they read any shota or loli manga. also real child porn is in other countries. restricting something to those under 18 is ok but banning something because they believe people will forget the real world and do something criminal is what i hate. japan is mostly a atheist country so no matter how much a person is obsessed with something, they don't do anything for real. the readers or viewers of anthing pornographic/violent/extremeactionflicks must understand that fiction is fiction. but the countries always need a assurance so that people can remain imitators and parents can skip their responsibilities of controlling what their children can have. anyway i was just venting my frustrations on this matter. i don't intent to start a flame war. i am a big fan of movies, video games, anime and manga of every genre. but i have real world awareness and know that they are just entertainment.

i'm just going to say this, but allot of crime, especially sex crime in japan goes unreported, because you aren't seen as a victim in japan if you are raped, its a sad truth, even in your own faimaly there there is no guarantee of comforting support.

this is hard for most people to even comprehend, but when you see things like the female only cars on trains, and how harshly anyone, even accused, of touching someone on a train, even if there is no evidence of it, you kind of see a bigger picture.

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one yoai mangaka if i remember right, i'm not looking it up to be 100% was told their series was coming to an end due to having a school setting.

As I read in Sankaku Complex she had been asked not to draw school boys in uniforms, not school boys in general.

A buddy of mine asked a friend from Tokyo and as she answered no mature manga will be banned. It will stay where it is now, in the adult section. I'll ask again and add more info. But imo the way it was discussed in the News page here told it in the best way. Almost everything was a misleading info from sites like Sankaku Complex and Western media. The best Internet source for news abt the law is Dan Kanemitsu's blog.

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based on the wiki entry posted, (bc im too lazy to look up the actual bill) it looks like the only major changes will be no loli/shota and no incest or ne thing that would be considered illegal in the real world. and it even calls on regulators to take artistic, social, educational, and satirical merits into account. so basically as long as the "illegal act" is done tastefully in a way that it would draw on actual social stigmas and such there should be no problem, example, two highschool lovers having sex...as long as it doesnt enter into the realm of hentai it would probably be safe so long as it was in a seinen or josei mag instead of a shonen or shoujo mag. and storylines such as the one seen in Bitter Virgin would probably be safe as well. however things that dont really show a social outcome and is just the main characters going about in ecchi scenes for no other pupose than to have ecchi scenes then that may be a problem but only if the ecchi scenes are really extreme. i cant see them cancelling for a panty shot.

basically it seems, if wiki did catch the main points correctly, that the only criteria affected would be those that are overly ecchi, (im thinking Love Hina on steroids), those that deal with children 13 or younger in sexually explicit positions, and pretty much any thing that is illegal done just for the sake of it being illegal.

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When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

@Berzer: The prob is what they'd do with the "non-safe" titles - to move them to the adult section or to ban them. 😕

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It only applies in Tokyo, also most TV anime are censored to promote their DVD form. Also do note that this applies to 99% ecchi anime, because the characters depicted are usually under 18.

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one yoai mangaka if i remember right, i'm not looking it up to be 100% was told their series was coming to an end due to having a school setting.

As I read in Sankaku Complex she had been asked not to draw school boys in uniforms, not school boys in general.

A buddy of mine asked a friend from Tokyo and as she answered no mature manga will be banned. It will stay where it is now, in the adult section. I'll ask again and add more info. But imo the way it was discussed in the News page here told it in the best way. Almost everything was a misleading info from sites like Sankaku Complex and Western media. The best Internet source for news abt the law is Dan Kanemitsu's blog.

right, ban isn't the right word for it, however its the easiest to comprehend. its not that the manga is no longer available, but anything that can be demend harmful to children is now treated as hard core pornography.

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based on the wiki entry posted, (bc im too lazy to look up the actual bill) it looks like the only major changes will be no loli/shota and no incest or ne thing that would be considered illegal in the real world. and it even calls on regulators to take artistic, social, educational, and satirical merits into account. so basically as long as the "illegal act" is done tastefully in a way that it would draw on actual social stigmas and such there should be no problem, example, two highschool lovers having sex...as long as it doesnt enter into the realm of hentai it would probably be safe so long as it was in a seinen or josei mag instead of a shonen or shoujo mag. and storylines such as the one seen in Bitter Virgin would probably be safe as well. however things that dont really show a social outcome and is just the main characters going about in ecchi scenes for no other pupose than to have ecchi scenes then that may be a problem but only if the ecchi scenes are really extreme. i cant see them cancelling for a panty shot.

basically it seems, if wiki did catch the main points correctly, that the only criteria affected would be those that are overly ecchi, (im thinking Love Hina on steroids), those that deal with children 13 or younger in sexually explicit positions, and pretty much any thing that is illegal done just for the sake of it being illegal.

now, lets see here, i have to ask who it is who looks at anything to determine the "regulators to take artistic, social, educational, and satirical merits" if its people, normal people, than i can have hope that everything that i read is blown out of proportion, however, if its a regulation body such as the fcc in america, a body that composes people who were never elected, but choses, and than went on a moral crusade. the tokyo governor already treats otaku, gays, and young people in general as less than human, i cant see him or anyone around him appointing anyone who has a manga's best interest in mind.

you brought up love hina, do you think that is bad? do you think that it should be handled like porn? i personaly never found interest in softcore porn, even back when i first read it, i believe when i was between 12 and 14, so i never even considered it close to porn.

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It only applies in Tokyo, also most TV anime are censored to promote their DVD form. Also do note that this applies to 99% ecchi anime, because the characters depicted are usually under 18.

here is something that everyone seams to over look. most anime, manga, and such, are based in tokyo, about 40 million, out of about 127 million, live in tokyo and its prefecture. its a massive blow to the industry to say the least.

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@Berzer: The prob is what they'd do with the "non-safe" titles - to move them to the adult section or to ban them. 😕

i believe that in the original context, it would only effect publications that took it to an extreme, see borderline h, and even than only with a minor. they took that last part out, and now it applies to everything. and i believe that the only thing they can do is force ti to be sold as porn, which in the original context wouldn't have effected it at all. but the new one...