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I know this might seem like an odd question but, for those of you who dislike vegetarians and vegans, why? Ever since I've become vegan, I've had so many jokes and insults directed to me, and I don't really understand why somebody would dislike it.
And also, how come you aren't vegetarian?



If you're a minority at anything, there will be people talking shit about you. Some people are like that. It doesn't matter whether you're a vegetarian, have a different hair style, your parent has a weird name, you have a nerdy hobby, doesn't matter. That's not a vegetarian problem exclusively. It just means that other than being a vegetarian, you hardly deviate from the mean if you haven't been patronized for anything else. I don't care if someone is a vegetarian. It's not really my business. I can have my own opinion on it thought, which is that there's a lot of moralist bullshit regarding eating meat.

As for why am I not a vegetarian, I don't see a reason to be one. You need to be exposed to someone's agenda to become one. You wouldn't turn a vegetarian if you lived in the wild like any other animal. You'd eat to survive and you'd eat things that your body can use for nutrition. It's natural to consume other living things. For the ecosystem, it's even a necessity that animals eat each other. Otherwise there would be no plants, as locusts and rabbits would ravage them in numbers. I'll eat whatever keeps me going. All forms of life are equal in the food chain. I'll eat what I think is the tastiest.

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Believe it or not I know a vegan who forces their dog to be vegan. The dog barely touches its food and always tries to get whatever we are eating. That's going overboard.

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I used to be a vegetarian for about 8 years (now I have to eat fish because of anemia & milk intolerance) and for me there are 3 reasons people dislike vegetarians/vegans:

- preaching. Like..totally. It annoyed me even though I was vegetarian myself. Maybe even more so because of that - 10 people eating one steak per week less are a greater change than one radical..

- trouble with eating out/at a friends house. And it goes both ways - I would usually ask if there was meat in what I was offered, and if there was - I wouldn't eat it but I wouldn't ask for something else either. But sometimes they would say "no" and then you got something with meat in it, and that's a good point to start a quarrel.

- trouble with eating at his/her place. A lot of people still consider a proper meal a meal with meat and would demand meat at your place.



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I have nothing against vegans. It's a personal choice on whether you eat meat or not, just like anything else. Personally I love meat. I'd stick a fork in a live cow if I was hungry enough. As for insulting people for their choice, never. Though for people that are vegan because it's not "humane" I do find slightly amusing. Only because it has been human instinct to consume meat since the dawn of time. And those that find it okay to kill a fish and eat it but not a cow or chicken. If you're willing to eat a fish that had to be killed for the meat than what's the difference eating a steak from a cow that was killed for the meat? I don't find the difference in that. If you don't like meat than that's fine, don't eat it. But don't be a person that says it's because it's not "humane" but still eat seafood. Because if you look at it in a general sense, no matter how the animal is killed, it's still being killed so in turn how is any form of it considered humane?

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I didn't expect so many answers... From what I've seen, I mostly think people get defensive once they find out I'm vegan, as if I was insulting them or looking down on them for being meat-eaters. My opinions on them apart though, I think most people aren't vegan because it's easy not to be.
I met a couple of vegans about a year ago and after a few weeks I decided to become vegan myself. Well, I don't consider it much of a decision, since I practically hated myself and used to cry at night thinking about what a horrible person I was. I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.
After that I jumped right into it and from one day to another I stopped eating meat, fish, eggs and dairy products. Of course I fainted twice that week and had to go back to my old alimentation habits and start over slowly once I was better informed.

And in reply to NightSwan and Myuym, I didn't make this topic to get insulted, I asked it in order to understand you meat-eaters, so please avoid being rude to me.

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Nah. I could care less if your are vegan or not. Even if you eating salad beside me I would be eating chicken or whatever is edible to me.

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I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.

I'm sorry but what's there to feel guilty about being a meat-eater?



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as if I was insulting them or looking down on them for being meat-eaters.
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I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.

This is why people hate vegans. You preach about your crap. If you didn't do that, most of us would really care. Now, in the same paragraph you talk as if you don't look down on others, but then think people who aren't vegans are ignorant.

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And in reply to NightSwan and Myuym, I didn't make this topic to get insulted, I asked it in order to understand you meat-eaters, so please avoid being rude to me.

Then don't act like others are ignorant or beneath you for eating meat.

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Give me a sec,

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I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.


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From what I've seen, I mostly think people get defensive once they find out I'm vegan, as if I was insulting them or looking down on them for being meat-eaters


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I rest my case your honour.

Me, myself, I don't care about your religion, sexual preference, gender, nationality and... (certainly) your food preference (never even cross my mind, seriously, a frickin food preference, what the heck?). As long you're a decent human being, I'll be okay with that. And we could be friend.

But you do sounded like you yourself that actually have a problem with other people eating preference, while also hates when people have a problem with your eating preference.

That's just...

*sigh*

Maybe it was never about the food you eat.

Maybe, it was you...

Just you...

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I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.

Saying stupid things like this is why you're being ridiculed.

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Aijin-of-Iwa : I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.
After that I jumped right into it and from one day to another I stopped eating meat, fish, eggs and dairy products. Of course I fainted twice that week and had to go back to my old alimentation habits and start over slowly once I was better informed.


Err... soo.. you think.. plants and vegetables are NOT living beings and they don't get hurt simply because they can't cry or scream or run away from you ? and so you think it is very okay to eat them ? O.o

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I didn't expect so many answers... From what I've seen, I mostly think people get defensive once they find out I'm vegan, as if I was insulting them or looking down on them for being meat-eaters. My opinions on them apart though, I think most people aren't vegan because it's easy not to be.
I met a couple of vegans about a year ago and after a few weeks I decided to become vegan myself. Well, I don't consider it much of a decision, since I practically hated myself and used to cry at night thinking about what a horrible person I was. I can't understand how a meat-eater doesn't feel guilty about themselves, unless it's out of ignorance.
After that I jumped right into it and from one day to another I stopped eating meat, fish, eggs and dairy products. Of course I fainted twice that week and had to go back to my old alimentation habits and start over slowly once I was better informed.


You really need to be careful on riding the moral high ground when you are a vegan and notice that other people are not. That is the most common reason why people don't like vegans because of their tendency to preach and probably to a point of bigotry in some cases. Statements like "how could you live with yourself?" or "I could never stand myself being so horrible" are probably one of the signs that you're riding your moral high ground and you are looking down on the meat-eater peons. If you haven't donate all your money to starving and poor people of the world and live in a spartan life style then you aren't that good of the person either.

Personally, I'd put vegetarians/vegans into the same bracket with people having allergies when I dine with them or inviting them for dinner. Like this person is allergic to wheat, that guy has a peanut problem and that gal can't take anything with meat or dairy products. Just don't look at me in disgust when I chow down on that delectable pan seared foie gras. I would NOT go into a vegan dinner unless he/she is a very very good cook with vegan/vegetarian dishes.

It's exceptionally difficult to make delicious dishes without meat. I have tried some of the best vegetarian cooking you can get, I have tasted imitations so close to meat that I could live on those without eating meat. However, they are extremely labor intensive and every minute you spend wasting on those labor is every minute you can't relax or work to make money. Money which can be used to save someone in need.

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If the reason you are vegan is for health, I don't think most people will think negatively of you. I've got a sister who has conned a few of the more heavyset family members into going vegan. I would attribute it more about being conscious of what they are eating, but it has helped them lose weight.

Now, if the reason you don't eat bacon is because you think pigs are cute, you're not getting any sympathy. You have basically pegged yourself on a rung of hippy just before you start living in a commune in the woods.

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I would NOT go into a vegan dinner unless he/she is a very very good cook with vegan/vegetarian dishes.

It's exceptionally difficult to make delicious dishes without meat. I have tried some of the best vegetarian cooking you can get, I have tasted imitations so close to meat that I could live on those without eating meat. However, they are extremely labor intensive and every minute you spend wasting on those labor is every minute you can't relax or work to make money. Money which can be used to save someone in need.

Vegan cooks who are pretending that they are eating meat are possibly living the saddest existence possible. They are basically saying they don't eat meat, but they would really love to.

I don't mind vegan food so long as they don't pretend they are eating meat, or is otherwise soy free (because soy is made by the devil, the devil named monsanto).

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If the reason you are vegan is for health, I don't think most people will think negatively of you. I've got a sister who has conned a few of the more heavyset family members into going vegan. I would attribute it more about being conscious of what they are eating, but it has helped them lose weight.

Now, if the reason you don't eat bacon is because you think pigs are cute, you're not getting any sympathy. You have basically pegged yourself on a rung of hippy just before you start living in a commune in the woods.

Vegan cooks who are pretending that they are eating meat are possibly living the saddest existence possible. They are basically saying they don't eat meat, but they would really love to.

I don't mind vegan food so long as they don't pretend they are eating meat, or is otherwise soy free (because soy is made by the devil, the devil named monsanto).


Nothing wrong with not wanting to eat animals because they're cute. Or communes, for that matter. You don't have to understand other people's values (or the activity of their amygdalas) to acknowledge that they have the right to have them - don't expect to be shown respect yourself if you're not going to respect others.

Who cares whether vegans/vegetarians like the taste of meat and want to imitate it? I'm not going to stuff my face with chocolate cake every day, but I would sure as hell eat something healthy that tasted like chocolate cake every day. That doesn't mean that I'm a 'sad existence' - it just means that I care about my health more than I care about chocolate cake, as vegans/vegetarians care more about their values than they care about eating meat.

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It's exceptionally difficult to make delicious dishes without meat. I have tried some of the best vegetarian cooking you can get, I have tasted imitations so close to meat that I could live on those without eating meat. However, they are extremely labor intensive and every minute you spend wasting on those labor is every minute you can't relax or work to make money. Money which can be used to save someone in need.

How about a stir fry with tofu or some spaghetti? I don't know what your standards are, you sound like a foodie, but I think that your description is a vast exaggeration for most people.

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How about a stir fry with tofu or some spaghetti? I don't know what your standards are, you sound like a foodie, but I think that your description is a vast exaggeration for most people..


Yes, I'm something of a foodie. It's really difficult for normal people to stick around as a vegetarian. Sure you can go for a day or three being a vegan but after that then it's pure will power to not eat meat. The primary reason is because the not a lot of vegetarian food are tasty. Your cooking options are really limited and the restaurant offerings are slim. If vegetarian food was great tasting then they would be selling a lot more and you wouldn't need all of those support group for vegans.

Historically speaking, meat is expensive compare to grain and vegetable so a lot of traditional dishes are vegetarian to a certain extent. A lot of soup and broth type dishes can be easily made with vegetables and grain. Despite that, meat dishes carry a flavor that no vegetables can match. The marinara sauce in your spaghetti will become a lot more savory when you at a bit of ground beef into it. That stir fry vegetables will become a lot tastier with a beef stock than a vegetable stock.

There is an extremely strong cost cutting incentive for food companies to cut down meat in their product. It's an extremely cost saving strategy. Most of the hod dog is made from some stuff that are not meat. In fact, there was a law that stated that a 'pork' product needs to have a least a certain percentage of pork for it to be called 'pork'

I sampled quite a bit of vegetarian dishes, especially Asian cuisine. They have a very long history of making vegetarian dishes because of religious and economic reasons. A lot of them are actually very very good. However, nothing really beats that beef flavor a good piece of steak can bring you. Nothing could really come close to the distinctive and delectable taste of pan seared foie gras.

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