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12:07 pm, Oct 1 2014
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Lol. This topic is still going 10 days and still going strong. A lot of people have a lot of things to say about vegans.

Post #653395 - Reply to (#653333) by -shiratori-
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... And in between your cherry picking and biased interpretations you're doing everything possible to end this labor exploitation, correct?

Post #653398 - Reply to (#653389) by ThirySixChambers
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Isn't that what you just did?


Please learn how to read, seriously, it isn't too hard. I defined the subgroup ("Moral Authoritarians") within the vegan group literally on the first paragraph. Where did I shame/guilt all the people here? I gave numerous examples of these SPECIFIC TYPE of people and their behavioral tendencies.

I can't believe I just had to explain that o.O


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... And in between your cherry picking and biased interpretations you're doing everything possible to end this labor exploitation, correct?


Nope. I'm poor as fuck, so in between saving people I don't know from exploitation and paying less for goods, I gladly choose the latter. But then again I don't waste my time and resources on saving animals when there are enough humans that need help either.

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Post #653444 - Reply to (#653443) by -shiratori-
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Nope. I'm poor as fuck, so in between saving people I don't know from exploitation and paying less for goods, I gladly choose the latter. But then again I don't waste my time and resources on saving animals when there are enough humans that need help either.

What is this magical 'time and resources'? Since multiple people have already testified on this topic that vegetarian/vegan cooking is comparable in price and effort to cooking with meat, by their standards anyway, what time and resources are you asking vegetarians/vegans to divert from not eating meat to fighting the evils of Joe Fresh? Not that I don't love the 'yadda is more important than yadda' argument though. Why care about domestic poverty when there's third world poverty to deal with? Why devote attention to AIDS when cancer kills more people? I would love to know what people who use this argument consider to be THE ULTIMATE SOCIAL PROBLEM... 42?

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Well you know, changing the source of where you get your meat is just as good as cutting it out altogether to go against these "meat farms". I know personally that the meat I eat usually comes from a butchers, who don't have animals treated cruelly. Also, there are places where you can shoot ...

Yeh, +1


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Post #653459 - Reply to (#653371) by Aijin-of-Iwa
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To all: I didn't mean to sound disrespectful of other people's lifestyles and way of eating. I'm sorry if I came off that way. But I really don't understand why someone would willingly eat meat if they know what is happening in meat farms,

Because we don't give a shit.

No, really. If we did, we'd stop eating, why don't we? Cuz we really don't care.

Same for Iphones, CPU processors, etc. They're worked by people in dank factories and are underpaid, forced to work there, and they jump to their deaths enough time to warrant them putting nets around the factory.

Got a computer or a laptop? You're guilty of encouraging them. Please stop. But if you did, you probably wouldn't be able to post anymore.

Post #653474 - Reply to (#653459) by pothb
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Same with clothes, done by people in terrible work environment, underpaid yet we wear clothes with little to no worries, it goes on and on, worrying about these aren't really going to be helping and one person doing something is not going to amount to much, for example vegans eating only vegetable is not going change anything except make "healthy" products more lucrative. Their "protest" or reason for eating vegetable is not going to change anything except satisfy their ego and vanity that they are better then others for being so "kind" for not eating meat, it does not apply to every vegan but keep in mind this is but an example. The world will move forward regardless of what happens, unless a real reason that forces humans to eat something else other then meat happens it is going to stay that way, yes the torture of animals is unnecessary but I am not going to waste my life worrying and change my lifestyle due to that.

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Post #653494 - Reply to (#653444) by hkanz
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Nope. I'm poor as fuck, so in between saving people I don't know from exploitation and paying less for goods, I gladly choose the latter. But then again I don't waste my time and resources on saving animals when there are enough humans that need help either.

What is this magical 'time and resources'? Since multiple people have already testified on this topic that vegetarian/vegan cooking is comparable in price and effort to cooking with meat, by their standards anyway, what time and resources are you asking vegetarians/vegans to divert from not eating meat to fighting the evils of Joe Fresh?


Yeah, cause altering your diet to exclude something essential like meat does not require any effort at all. Seems legit.

Also I'd be glad if I had enough money to even regularly cook anything at all instead of having to resort to fast food. Cooking healthy food is expensive, especially if you live alone.

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Not that I don't love the 'yadda is more important than yadda' argument though. Why care about domestic poverty when there's third world poverty to deal with? Why devote attention to AIDS when cancer kills more people? I would love to know what people who use this argument consider to be THE ULTIMATE SOCIAL PROBLEM... 42?


Except that the well-being of animals is only an issue in the minds of sheltered hippies and PETArds. None of the animals humans eat for food are conscious beings. A pig is as clueless about its surroundings as a rat or a centipede. Even comparing the supposed plight of these animals to human plight is basically an insult to every human being alive.

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Post #653501 - Reply to (#653398) by Sumguyoranother
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Just like every Moral Authoritarians, many in their rank think they are above the "plebs", they think they are better because of their lifestyle and try to shame/guilt all others around them.

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This isn't limited to just veganism, you see this with hipsters that "are going green", "white knights", "armchair social justice warriors". Environmentalism (climate change and polar bears), 3rd wave feminists (promote victimhood), "helicopter parents" (my offspring is better cause I only give him XYZ), hell, even manga (tokyo's governor anyone?) and even videogame (gamergate) have these sort of people.

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tl;dr cause quite a few of them are pretentious hipsters that tends to shove their lifestyle and superiority complex down other's throat.

Please learn how to recognize rhetorical questions, seriously, it isn't too hard. You obviously did what you accused others of doing. It doesn't matter if you included some indicators of dissimilarity when you just labeled plenty of people and their chosen ideologies as hipsters and pretentious. It's one thing if you disagree, another if you fall into the same debasing attitude. It seems you're just as capable of casting judgment as those "Moral Authoritarians" are to "plebs." You're just as capable of hating and ridicule, or are you the sensible and modest side in all of this since you're the one condemning them as to why they are "hated and ridicule"? o.O

... Or, ironically enough, by demeaning their lifestyles are you also setting your lifestyle on a pedestal. Maybe something akin to an "Amoral Authoritarian"? Is that a superiority complex? laugh

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Nope. I'm poor as fuck, so in between saving people I don't know from exploitation and paying less for goods, I gladly choose the latter. But then again I don't waste my time and resources on saving animals when there are enough humans that need help either.

Then don't presume to pontificate just because you're incapable and unable to take any action because of your economic status. Those dollars and that time that someone is spending on helping to prevent the suffering of simple animals and unknown humans could actually be of use in helping to alleviate their suffering, even if just a modicum of all of the suffering on this planet.

Unless you're upset because that money is not going to you since you're so intent on bringing up your downtrodden lifestyle? If you're not doing anything to help the humans you're invoking or any other animals, on what ground are you standing? Even "donating a few dollars to African children" is a bad thing because of who it comes from.

If you think that everyone is under the delusion that just focusing on one cause is not a zero-sum game, you're sadly mistaken. You have not stumbled upon some esoteric knowledge that only you recongize.

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None of the animals humans eat for food are conscious beings. A pig is as clueless about its surroundings as a rat or a centipede. Even comparing the supposed plight of these animals to human plight is basically an insult to every human being alive.

You don't know what conscious means, do you? I don't. laugh

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I think many people who joke on, or question vegans, are just trying to make them react, so they can assess their reasons? and thus reassuring ones own values, or in some cases even change them.
Its probably also Curiosity and Insecurity as they dont seem to understand your point of view, but in order not to show that, they put it in a joke wink (I'm sometimes one of "them" - my sister is vegan bigrazz)

Im no Vegan, cuz i dont think there is anything wrong with eating animals, as long as they were treated decent. Also I grew up on a farm, so the thought of stock farming being a bad thing, does not really make sense to me.



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Yeah, cause altering your diet to exclude something essential like meat does not require any effort at all. Seems legit.

Also I'd be glad if I had enough money to even regularly cook anything at all instead of having to resort to fast food. Cooking healthy food is expensive, especially if you live alone.

If meat was an essential food, vegetarians would be dropping dead everywhere. The amount of time it takes to determine how to become a vegetarian is the amount of time it takes to look up some nutritional advice and recipes on the Internet.

Meh, I also live alone. I don't eat fast food so I'm not sure of the costs versus vegetarianism, but I don't spend a ton of money on food. Stuff like meat, ice cream, snacks, soda is most expensive/disproportionately priced in grocery stores here, so it's more about restraint than anything else. Generally I cook in bulk and freeze the leftovers.

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Except that the well-being of animals is only an issue in the minds of sheltered hippies and PETArds. None of the animals humans eat for food are conscious beings. A pig is as clueless about its surroundings as a rat or a centipede. Even comparing the supposed plight of these animals to human plight is basically an insult to every human being alive.

Can't tell whether you're trolling here or actually as ignorant as you come off. Google animal cognition or, for pigs in particular, read this article that I found in a two-second web search. That being said, other than pigs and other really smart animals, I have no moral objection to killing and eating them. I just dislike the environmental impact of raising livestock/fishing, and that does affect humanity as well as the animals themselves.

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Except that the well-being of animals is only an issue in the minds of sheltered hippies and PETArds. None of the animals humans eat for food are conscious beings. A pig is as clueless about its surroundings as a rat or a centipede. Even comparing the supposed plight of these animals to human plight is basically an insult to every human being alive.


Now that's just straight up ignorant and offensive. First of all, why is it so wrong for someone to care about animal rights or environmentalism?! How could you possibly think that animals don't suffer when someone abuses them. Have you never spent any time around animals before? There is no "supposed" plight. Most vegetarians or vegans object to the treatment these animals receive while alive and the inhumane way they are slaughtered with no regard for them as living beings. And how dare you disregard or try to take away what someone else believes in. If you feel that human suffering is of a higher priority to you then that is your personal belief. But that doesn't mean the suffering of animals doesn't happen and that it is not a worthwhile cause to fight for. Why do we even have to compare what is more important. Isn't it enough that we all try in our own way to improve the condition of our world and the creatures that inhabit it. Does it really matter whether that is by feeding starving children, or helping abused women, conserving wildlife, or campaigning for stricter environmental laws?

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My only two complaints with someone being vegan are:

1) Speech patterns. Example, if said vegan constantly preaches on ears that aren't interested or continuously makes snide and sarcastic comments and/or disgusted faces while others are eating or having a conversation about non vegan meals/life choices.

Whatever your reason for being vegan is, no one really cares and if they do they'll ask you. As a support of something it should be up to you to be positive when teaching people instead of sounds like an asshole or just being rude with unwanted gestures. I understand you're vegan, others aren't deal with it and get along.

2) Dining. I cook in a busy restaurant and when you deconstruct an entire meal into something that isn't anywhere close to being on the menu.. It can be a huge pain in the ass. Of course it can be done and will be done, but what I ask "special needs diets" to consider is how difficult your completely customized order on a Friday or Saturday night when there's already an hour plus wait. Your order may come out wrong the first time due to miscommunication, since your order is passed from 2-4 people before the cook finally hears the order it's been jumbled up. And that ruins your experience.


Edit: forgot the main point laugh mostly being vegan or not is choice so don't be any asshole to someone if they don't agree and obviously that goes both ways.


Post #653831 - Reply to (#653501) by ThirySixChambers
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Please learn how to recognize rhetorical questions, seriously, it isn't too hard. You obviously did what you accused others of doing. It doesn't matter if you included some indicators of dissimilarity when you just labeled plenty of people and their chosen ideologies as hipsters and pretentious. It's one thing if you disagree, another if you fall into the same debasing attitude. It seems you're just as capable of casting judgment as those "Moral Authoritarians" are to "plebs." You're just as capable of hating and ridicule, or are you the sensible and modest side in all of this since you're the one condemning them as to why they are "hated and ridicule"? o.O


Rhetorical questions tends to be, well, questions. Where is the question marks in all those quotes? <-- here's one just for you. I'm damn well capable of hating and ridicule, I'm not one to foster stupidity, if someone's doing something stupid, I WILL say it in their face. Being moderate doesn't mean shit to people that hold belief above science, that hold irrational choice over logic.

The difference is, I actually bother to fact check with numerous, mainstream scientific studies, especially the case with agriculture. It's one thing to claim veganism as just a preference (those people tend to be fine and don't really cause a fuss). It's another when they start preaching about the benefits of eating only vegetable and fruits grown a certain way when there's a known shortage of protein in a lot of these diet. How homogenizing crop without pesticide is ASKING for trouble. Try explaining to them that insect farming is a more sustainable in conjunction with moderately industrialize farming. These people will more often than not go off their handles about XYZ without measuring the total cost required to produce their food and the rate of spoilage.

The ones that actually bother to talk to farmers and look at these peer-reviewed papers are great, because they are willing to look at data, accept that there's a difference in reality and belief and just go with "I just prefer it this way", those people are well regarded and I'd have no trouble hosting them for dinner. It's people that claims it MUST be done XYZ way before it is the "right" way is the reason a lot of them are condemned. It REEKS of hypocrisy and "holier-than-thou". We have these same people that are telling people to effective PUNISH the inuit for having a meat eating culture (oh, right, a little something I'd like to add, there's are different bio-compatibility with food even within human subgroups, fruits and such in moderate amount are actually BAD for certain populations), there's quite a bit of an overlap with the "anti-sealing" and vegan group.

My stance on diet is actually quite simple, eat what you want as long as it's mostly sustainable and you are not hurting yourself since that will cost me in tax-dollar to treat your stupidity (unless it's an eating disorder, that's a mental health issue that's not likely related to a matter of choosing a diet).
I can respect people that eat raw sea all the way to the people that will only eat different types of grass as long as they are not overbearing and keep insisting they are "right". But unfortunately, in my experience with farmers and natives, it's often these very people, these self-righteous vegans, that demand shit without providing a solution.



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