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What exactly are we talking about here? There is a difference between a manga that has sexist characters/deals with the topic of sexism, and a manga that is written by a sexist to promote sexism.

IS explores the roles of female and male, and the societal expectations for the genders. It's not sexist in itself, but some characters have sexist attitudes...

IS is definitely not what I'd call a sexist manga. It is a manga that seeks to promote empathy for people who do not fit into categories of male or female.

Think of it this way -- To Kill a Mockingbird is not a racist novel just because some of its characters are racists. In fact, it is quite the opposite.

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I couldn't care less.
I am not thinking all the time: "I am a man,
I represent all the men in the world and vice versa.
The mockery I see here is a libel against me."
or "That person in this situation is a woman. This is
a grave insult to all the women out there."

After all, it has got nothing to do with me — nor with you.
Being of the same gender as somebody who gets
maltreated is a sorry excuse to get offeded.

As long as it does not say all the men or women in the
world are useless scumbags only necessary for copulation,
then I see little sexism in it, although even supporting such
concept's existence is stupid to me. We are individuals
although there's at least thousands of people like each of us.
Therefore we have no privilege to get offended if we see something "sexist."
If it does not state that you are straighforwardly involved in it,
you are not part of it and if you think it does involve you
without it even saying so, it's just you
building the drama around it.

I'll simply drop it. I don't need more prejudice, thanks.
Mamsmilk, there is a huge difference. If it's a character trait, then it's okay. The problem is when it's showed like this is cool. And, really, I've seen a lot of times on shounen the "cool characters" being sexists.

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For chissake, are we talking about those Japanese comics consisting of obedient doe-eyed girls with gigantic breasts? Sexist? Why, I never!

Srsly, the poll sounds cliched now. You need to elaborate.

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I'll simply drop it. I don't need more prejudice, thanks.
Mamsmilk, there is a huge difference. If it's a character trait, then it's okay. The problem is when it's showed like this is cool. And, really, I've seen a lot of times on shounen the "cool characters" being sexists.

If they'd just let the whole concept die,
then it would be gone for good, but in case TLDR,
[color=red]Stop feeding the trolls.[/color]
It doesn't matter what there is to every little thing
or event. That how people react to things matters.

well i think it's important to know what type of sexism we're talking about here. there are some different varieties that could be excusable actually. if it pertains to appearance, then it's really a society thing in which characters are made in an ideal manner. then there's another form where there are characters that are down right sexist and feel superior to the opposite sex. Nnoitra from Bleach was a prime example of this. there are also some instances in mangas when women are being described as weaker than men. but it really depends on how you're looking at it though, cause sometimes it could mean physically, especially concerning some of the more dramatic action/fighting series out there.

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Normally I prolly wouldn't even notice if I did I would just ignore it, specially if the series is good in all other aspects.

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I guess it depends.

Sometimes the sexism in a manga IS too much to take. To use a classic example: Hot Gimmick, a manga with such crappy attitudes towards women that it's been popularly dubbed "the manga of deep feminist shame."

The main female character had no backbone whatsoever and never developed one throughout the story. Many people view her relationship with the main male as being an abusive one, and it's somewhat hard to argue with that. He kept molesting her throughout the series, doing whatever he could to get her to have sex with him, and in a fit of jealousy, even slapped her at one point. In a truly cringe-worthy moment at the end of the series after proposing to her, the main female actually contemplates saying yes because she hopes he might treat her better if they were married...!

And the sexism isn't even limited to the main male either. For example, the main female is almost gang-raped by a former friend of hers and a bunch of thugs that he'd hired for that purpose, and throughout the whole incident, all the main female can do is cry and apologize for her friend's unhappy childhood--for HIS pain--that is causing him to want to take revenge on her family like this, nevermind what he was trying to do to HER. And of course there's the main character's little sister who is in junior high and who has sex with just about anyone because that's what the boys expect of her. (The series starts with the main character having to go buy her a pregnancy test while the sister rattles off 5 or so guys who could possibly be the ones who got her pregnant...!)

I mean, how can you keep reading a series like that, one where the women in the manga are pretty much treated like objects?

If it's a shonen series, one where the women are side-characters and don't appear that often, then fine, I can ignore the sexism. But if it's a shoujo series like Hot Gimmick, one where there's lots of women, or at least one in particular that we focus on, then it becomes impossible to ignore since we're constantly being confronted by it. It's rather appaling, for example, how the women get treated in most smutty shoujo mangas. Rape = love in Shinjo Mayu's world, I guess. 😛

Is that really sexism though? It's written by and for women... For some reason many women seem to like reading about submissive people getting raped. It's not just female characters either, look at yaoi. So really it seems more like fetishism then sexism; not necessarily saying that women are like that just that irl they have to be for the story to work.
(this is not an argument for raping women irl, like wearing spandex body suits and trying to fly around city's some things have to stay in the imagination)

I don't know about the rest of you, but for me sexism is a big deal.
If the character is like that (example: submissive female) I can tolerate it if the manga is good enough. But if the story or scene I dunno, make women look like objects then no thanks. (like to-love-ru. Don't get me wrong, the ecchi part is OK but too much is too much for me.)
The kind of manga that pisses me off the most is Love Celeb. It's annoying how the main girl keeps having sex. Sex lessons?! Wtf?
And the kind of manga where the woman gets raped and then afterwards is fine. (like Love Junkies) And sometimes she even make friends with the man who raped her! Think of it. What message is it sending to the readers? "Men, if you want to make friends with a woman just rape her." "Women, rape is nothing. When a man rapes you it means he loves you and/or wants to be your friend." To me this is plain s.t.u.p.i.d. 🙁
It's fine that people like this type of stuff, but I don't like it.
This is my opinion. Feel free to bash it. ^^

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for some reason....i like sexist themes, not that i agree with it~

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totally agree, in yaois too, they rape becasue they love, bull crap, and when gthey get felt up in the train they dont open their mouths, simply becausse girls are to be submissive, accepting everything like its okay. Im too much of a loud mouth, i defy much of the sexist roles, lol. so i could careless how people view me, i guess thats my biggest issue, people care to much about how they're perceived they dont think.

I don't use "bad" words, I use SENTENCE ENHANCERS.

Makes me wonder if it's life imitating art or art imitating life.

Either way, sexism is a sad fact be it against males, females or anybody in between. If you are enlightened enough to recognize that, close the book. If you aren't, take the initiative to get enlightened. No judge or jury in the world will pardon you because you "read it in a book."

If you can't distinguish between a work of fiction and what is morally correct, manga is the least of your problems. As much as sexism (especially female because of how prevalent it is) annoys me, the author has the right to publish whatever they wish. You choose to enrich your mind or pollute it.

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Makes me wonder if it's life imitating art or art imitating life.

Either way, sexism is a sad fact be it against males, females or anybody in between. If you are enlightened enough to recognize that, close the book. If you aren't, take the initiative to get enlightened. No judge or jury in the world will pardon you because you "read it in a book."

If you can't distinguish between a work of fiction and what is morally correct, manga is the least of your problems. As much as sexism (especially female because of how prevalent it is) annoys me, the author has the right to publish whatever they wish. You choose to enrich your mind or pollute it.

Just to clarify in case anyone makes the assumption: No one has said that authors do not have the right to write what they want. Neither has anyone suggested that other people should not read what they want. Criticism of sexism in manga is not an attempt to abridge freedom of speech. Criticism itself is speech, and encourages more speech, discussion, and awareness about a particular issue.

It is possible to recognize sexism in a manga, and still appreciate it for other reasons. There is no need to self-censor so long as you feel that you can read it while thinking for yourself. And sometimes it is even important to read things with which you disagree to understand how other people think.

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