Just something i thought was interesting to bring up.

Lets say there are two people who are in a heated argument but you do not hear what the argument is about. Shortly after one of the people involved makes a act of agression and punches the other...Now that you have seen that action, you firmly believe the agressor has perfomed an inexscusable action.
If the other guy were to attack in retaliation and bloodied and beat his attacker to a pulp because of this action would it be justified?
Remember you never saw what provoked the person to make that attack on the other in the first place. Is it right for such actions to happen?
Sometimes people will blantanly provoke others, recieve abuse, retaliate and still be in the right because no one could see how they provoked the other to begin with...

Now that you have read that paragraph, I would like to ask you about this war on terror? Are terrorists "evil?" I understand violance is bad but think carefully. Why would a particular group of people attack people mostly in America and the UK only? Why would they bomb suicide us exactly..."because we are none believers?" Then that would make the rest of the world their enemy..."Because it isnt their faith and these countries are christian technically?" Why not all other religions then?
Perhaps we have provoked such attacks, how can you be sure what they are doing is not justified? America invaded iraq just to see if they had wepons of mass destrcution but to their avail there was nothing. They breached and invaded a country, killed many and brought no real results besides the "we are liberating them"...From what I hear from most people their views on the situation are pretty 2 dimenisional...Maybe WE ("america the bully and britain the sidekick") are the bad guys! Who knows how we provoked them to begin with...
Most of these question were rhetorical and hypothetical. Not fact...

SO i guess what im getting at is what do you think about terrorists agression? Is it retaliation...?
Should we retaliate as well? Is retaliation ever a good thing?

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this is hard to comment cause if i haven't seen what started it, do i even have the right to even state weather they have the right to retaliate or not.

Every country has a duty to protect it's people by any means necessary. it's not a matter of what is right or wrong but to purposely seek to hurt someone is wrong. Individuals have the right to do as they please even if their methods are questionable.

terrorist are individuals who have banded with those of like minds to attack people who they consider as their enemy. the fact of the matter is that every nation has it's sins but those who refuse to let it heal are the ones who are in the wrong.

i don't know why terrorists want to kill people but one thing i do know is that if some one seeks to hurt me and my people i have the choice to either watch or act and in most cases i will act.

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Sometimes people will blantanly provoke others, recieve abuse, retaliate and still be in the right because no one could see how they provoked the other to begin with...
SO i guess what im getting at is what do you think about terrorists agression? Is it retaliation...?
Should we retaliate as well? Is retaliation ever a good thing?

It's like you said. When people retaliate, it should be assumed they expect a "tick for tac" a "cause and effect" and you are asking me on a greater scale, do I condone this choice of action? No, of course not; is it justified? No. A life for a life, a punch for a punch or what ever, is never the right choice of action, however, people, with or without choice would go along with choosing retaliation; especially when a third party is involved, choices to do the rational thing slims greatly. But nevertheless I, as an individual will never condone this, regardless of the logical fallacy at hand. On the contrary though, this doesn't mean, if I was given the power to retaliate towards an enemy that would put me in such as position, I wouldn't go along with the logical fallacy

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I have seen your post history, you don't get to say anything I say is ridiculous

judgment without basis isnt judgment, thus if you didnt know what's the discussion about, you cannot make a good esteem of who's right or whatnot (given that from a discussion to use of force there's a BIG gap, btw some phrases are worth a physical aggression)

Terrorists...well they act such ones, GIVEN they are actually "true at heart" and not some oriental guys sent by the gov itself to make such acts. Unfortunately sometimes this is the case, like 9/11, sometimes its really "some madman shouting arabic (or such phrases)" while detonating himself.
Its a mix of those 2 components.

Remember who put Iraqi "ex" dictator on his seat: America. Who continues to provide weaponry to warring countries: America. Who gained the most from the "terror Era": America. I'd REALLY like to be utterly wrong, but alas, I'm not. And that's a shame.

Earnest people living in a country founded on strong principles were ruled (hopefully Mr.O. will put a brake to this, even if Lobbies are too powerful to stop completely) by SHADY people without a single trace of humanity. Talk about Government Conspiracy: we laughed countless times reading them in best seller books, now we laugh less seeing the undeniable reality, its not paranoia, its the big Risiko Era.
Machiavelli was of great inspiration to those gentlemen (around the world), I think. I hate all of them dearly, cause they dont care about the "Country", they only care about being powerful and rich in their lifespan, leaving our children and grandchildren a desolate future.

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terrorist are individuals who have banded with those of like minds to attack people who they consider as their enemy. the fact of the matter is that every nation has it's sins but those who refuse to let it heal are the ones who are in the wrong.

This is indeed true that people "sin". Someone who would say they are without "sin" might as well say they are not human as well; it's interesting though, by this philosophy, people would rather continue doing the said cause of action and ignore the "sin" at hand; thus nothing gets solved.

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I have seen your post history, you don't get to say anything I say is ridiculous

Personally I am beginning to think that the terrorists are not entirely wrong.
The west is knee deep in propaganda, Perhaps we are all evil since we condom retaliation? 🤣
Its human nature to be ignorant, we constantly critisize our actions yet when it comes crunch time, election time we choose the party that will give us low tax, low gas bills and many, many more self served things 🤣

Retaliation is never right, both the terrorist and america are in the wrong...but as to who's fault it is we can never be too sure. I say america has a very high probability of being wrong in its retaliation, they are acting no less than mere terrorists...

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Personally I am beginning to think that the terrorists are not entirely wrong.
The west is knee deep in propaganda, Perhaps we are all evil since we condom retaliation? 🤣
Its human nature to be ignorant, we constantly critisize our actions yet when it comes crunch time, election time we choose the party that will give us low tax, low gas bills and many, many more self served things 🤣

Retaliation is never right, both the terrorist and america are in the wrong...but as to who's fault it is we can never be too sure. I say america has a very high probability of being wrong in its retaliation, they are acting no less than mere terrorists...

Yes, indeed. The way things are now, the ones who were fighting for 'their' liberation, are now by some considered advocates in the situation; to my dismay, being an advocate of war is a politically justifiable cause.

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I have seen your post history, you don't get to say anything I say is ridiculous

After the mess is created there is no more wrong or right, it's do or die. Who's at fault is irrelevant since if you don't fight back you're pretty much fucked. Do you think that if the USA stops retaliating to terrorist attacks they will cease? Hell no! they'll only increase in number since they know they can get away with it.

So, after both sides have traded shots things will not stop until one side bends over to the other, both are unable to fight back or they are both crushed by a stronger force.