I actually laughed out loud at the first line. I'm fairly certain he wouldn't be quite that extreme, but it's a good analogy all the same.

Anyway, I agree with a lot of what you're saying, and although you overlook the reason he puts up with the abuse (his desire to atone for murdering his father), I wouldn't argue with it much. However, he still represents a more or less average citizen of most countries- an average person unfortunately does not take into account information other than what is immediately fed to them, and tends to end up with one-sided views a result, although Suzaku's reason for ending up with that conclusion is a bit more complex.

My only real gripe is that you make him far too one-dimensional when he's actually one of the more multi-dimensional characters in the show. Despite being naive and full of contradictions, he is a genuinely good person. He just wants to help people in a way that doesn't turn the world upside down. It's inefficient and will almost certainly be unsuccessful in the long run, but personal experience tells him that the other way will only leave him hollow and filled with guilt.

And no, Euphie would not have thought of the SAZ without Lelouch existing, but that doesn't change the fact that Lelouch is a terrorist and she was greatly criticized by the Britannian public for making such a move. It was an adequate solution, but while it remained within Britannian control there would always be a chance that it would be absorbed again. In other words, it simply didn't have the staying power to make a permanent change.

Anyway, my point wasn't really that you should hate Suzaku less because of what he would be in reality- it's more that people should realize exactly what they're hating, because there are clearly a lot of people in the world that are very similar to Suzaku in both ideals and practice, and they're typically praised for continuing as Suzaku is. Ideally, media should make you think about reality a bit, even if it is just anime.

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It seems I still can't hate Suzaku even though I don't always agree with what he does. People try to make him seem like a heartless person when he's not. Even when Suzaku doesn't do much in an episode people will still find something to complain about. I can kind of understand the way he feels. Suzaku thinks that everything is his fault so he has to be the one that ends it. He believes if he told Lelouch that he was planning on killing his father before they parted that maybe everything could have turn out better, and that maybe he could have lived a happy life with Lelouch and Nunnanlly. Suzaku believes that there is nothing else he can do but fight and that he can't turn back now.

I agree with you, I know that I hate him so much because I know exactly the kind of person he would be in the real world, and just how fucking retarded he would be. People like this are the worst kind of human being that exists in this world. They don't think. He doesn't have to join Lelouch but he should have figured out that working for Britannia was not the way to go if he wanted to actually accomplish something after the second time they tried to kill him. He should already know that someone in the nobility fucked over his best friend and left his sister a blind invalid, so what does he do....Go work for Britannia's millitary.........................Dude even that bigotted little bitch Nina has better reasons for her shit than him, and she wanted to literally nuke the academy just to kill one guy! When a borderline racist is more likeable more respectable than you, you have a problem. This little fucktard seriously wants to die so bad and he feels that the Japanese should just swallow the poison, roll over and die along with him; and he constantly whines and bitches because some Japanese people (and Britannians who are not so retarded as him.) don't want to commit suicide with him! He routinely cries about the underhanded methods Zero employs yet he works for a group that tried to kill him three times! Is that above board to him? Seriously who the fuck is this guy? He doesn't seem to notice the genocide order that was given to him when Britannia wanted to take out the remains of the JLF, yet I gaurantee to you that this fuck would complain if he ever got confirmation that Zero nuked the JLF himself.

I can see his lines right now: "That's so evil, you bastard.." As if he wasn't tasked with doing the same shit. I mean as dirtty as that was on the part of Lelouch at least he understands that he is doing some really dirty shit. (Especially after the whole mess at the SAZ innagural event put an end to his messianic delusions though he still needs to play the role for the Black Knights to function.)

I look at Lelouch and I see a man who is as driven as Suzaku and nearly as self righteous but still he manages to maintain the ability to actually LISTEN to and understand the feelings of others, even when he has been granted a near god-like power in the form of his Geass of absolute obedience, every despots wet dream! How much do you want to bet someone like Suzaku would just geass his way to a "perfect" world? Suzaku is so blind that he can't see that the Emperor gave birth to Zero the man as well as Zero the king of the elevens, if the Emperor wasn't the dick that he was Zero would not even need to exist.

What you say about the SAZ being a short term solution is true it would have failed in time. What I respect about the attempt is that it came from intelligence rather than idiocy. Euphemia didn't get caught up in a useless morality dick waving contest with the rebels, she used her precious brain cells. She figured out quickly that simply obeying the rules wasn't going to get shit done. Being a mindless robot was not going to bring any change.

Suzaku's ultimate problem is not that he is against Lelouch's methods, it's perfectly fine to be against his methods, it's also fine to want to murder him for killing Euphemia; his problem is that he can't see his own actions for what they are and can't really think for himself. He does not seem to be LEARNING unlike his counterpart. In fact I actually think he may be becoming less and less human over time, while Lelouch is actually becoming more and more human, while he is creating a sea of blood and possibly starting a world war to kill one man.

It's exceedingly ironic that the man who ostensibly values peace is less of a human being than the man who as far as he knows is trying to destroy the entire world.

It's a simple fact that Suzaku cannot comprehend politics. At the moment, he assumes he knows full well of Zero's logic and objectives other than Nunnally. However, simpleminded as he is, he doesn't try to drive through the surface to understand what Zero is all about. He sees Britannia as something righteous and shit like that but he listens with his eyes. He mostly hears the outburst of the events through the media. Of course the media would make Britannia sound like the good guy because media is all about manipulation. They don't tell you about the other side unless it makes the other side the bad guy. Suzaku doesn't have the smarts to use his fucking brain and think logically for a second. He doesn't see the reasoning behind Britannia and that their system is wrong. Like Shadow said, he has no reason. He tries to atone for his father's death but apparently he's sinning more than atoning. Even Gino and Anya have more reasoning than him. At least the two of them have beliefs of their own and common sense. Well, I don't know about Anya because she really sortied Mordred just to capture Lelouch.

And I also agree with Shadow's last opinion about the tremendous irony. I mean c'mon! If 'His Majesty' were to show him the Sword of Asharta and tell him that it's a weapon to destroy gods he'd know by then. By now, you'd think that he'd have some logic and say "No good emperor is good if his main objective were to kill the Gods" but I guess not. The little retard needs to have some common sense. Shows how much brains he has.

Suzaka is actually a good character. -__-;; He's not a hypocrite, and he just takes the non-violent way instead of the violent way like Lelouch. He tries to change Britannia from within, he even gained the sympathy of Brittania's nobles such as Euphemia, Cornelia, Guilford, Lloyd, etc.

They are actually respecting him, which means his opinion actually matters. He is the living proof that there can be peaceful coexistance between (Former) Japan and Britannia. He's saying to forget the past (Same words that Lelouch said!! About Euphy's death.), and try to make the best out of things in the present. He even aspires to be Knight of One so that he could make Japan his area, and treat his people well.

He only tries to repent from making violent decisions (Killing his own father to stop a full-scale war.), and therefore he vowed not to use violence anymore (The 'wrong' methods.) to achieve something noble. What Lelouch is doing. Suzaku's actions are actually very logical. Even IF Britannia's corrupt officers tried to kill him, he plans to follow their rules to obtain peace and create as less conflict as possible. He would go down as a martyr if the situation required so. After all, he doesn't fear death, he actually longs for it. That's partially the reason he really didn't mind staying at the side that 'tries to kill him'. Although that is a case of the past now being one of the Emperor's confidants and all.

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If you read Suzaku's wikipedia entry he actually becomes even more of a dumbass. His ideal about actions taken to change anything that are either wrong being meaningless essentially justifies the emperor' invasion of Japan, the Middle East, and the EU, and any kind of arbitrary law at the emotional level. Suzaku has to completely contradict his own ideology in order to even function. The saddest thing is that the idea of creating peace through violence is not a contradiction because violence was required for life to form on Earth, the movement of the continents is sometimes violent, new land mass is created through volcanic eruptions which are violent. The universe itself may have come to exist in an explosion an inherently violent event. It only makes sense that the systems that man creates (Nation-states in this case.) function by the same rules as man and his environment does. Suzaku not only contradicts his own internal logic, he contradicts the whole goddamn universe while harping endlessly on the surface contradiction the rebels present to him..............

Oh it gets worse, his father was a fool who was going to get everyone killed with his no surrender ideology, however he was correct in the sense that it was better to die on one's feet rather than one's knees. He forgot that there would be other ways to actually fight Britannia that did not all but gaurantee a complete slaughter. Suzaku was only capable of thinking as far as the dead bodies in the countryside as he was only about ten years old at the time I do not fault him for that. However after almost ten years he has failed to see what his father was getting at, and actually correct his father's real error.

His father understood that Britannia would strip the Japanese of their souls, even if they allowed them to keep their lives. Under the Britannians they would be a dead people. Suzaku's actions really only have one result for Japan, spiritual death, not to mention even if he gave the entire country autonomy the nobility would probably fragment as members realized that their power was going to fade away if they let Suzaku do as he wants. He would have to destroy the nobility itself and by extension the entire empire in order to even survive doing such a thing. As much as this fool wants to kill himself and the Japanese he would have to adopt a role like Zero's in the end, so in effect acting within the bounds of the law would be meaningless as he would still usher in the chaos that Zero represents.

The difference between Zero and Suzaku would then come down to the overwhelming likelyhood that Suzaku would delude himself into believing he is "good" while the nobles who don't want to get fucked by him are "evil." While Zero at least knows that he too is "evil."

First off, a wikipedia entry on Suzaku really isn't something you should trust, there are far too many people who hate him (many of them irrationally just because of his role as antagonist) to use something with open access as a source. Try the director's interviews that try to explain the character, or something similar.

It's perfectly reasonable to dislike or hate him- but some of the points you guys bring up really aren't entirely valid. For example, Suzaku is actually trying to save the spirit of the Japanese people explicitly, so yes, he did understand what his father was getting at. He stated that he was trying to become the Knight of One almost specifically for that reason- and he assume he can do it nonviolently.

He actually has a lot of common sense, he just doesn't have political or intellectual intelligence- there's a huge difference. While he may mistakenly believe that he can change a racist country within their laws, at least he doesn't try to eat the decorations at banquets (Gino), use a top-of-the-line mech for recreational purposes (Anya), or make one of the dozens of blunders Lelouch has socially (that is his greatest weakness, really.)

Additionally, he acknowledges himself as evil- he's hoping to overcome his own internal evil by achieving succeeding without sinning, and honestly he hasn't really. He intentionally takes the hard route almost every time with the sole exception of selling Lelouch out, which is perfectly understandable considering what Lelouch did to him. Once again, his methods cannot truly be successful in the long run, but his ideology and past don't allow him any other options.

Basically, he has the same essential personality flaws as Lelouch with the exception of megalomania (arrogant, self-confidant, stubborn, naive), but his methods and execution don't work, and because of those flaws he'll never admit that. Obviously, there are other differences as well that are designed to make Suzaku appear as Lelouch's antithesis, but the core personality is very similar and probably why they were friends in the first place. He is a logical person with common sense, he just doesn't have the insight or the flexibility to comprehend or admit that his methods will never work. He's the typical somewhat-dimwitted noble hero that struggles against all of the odds to achieve the impossible (i.e. every main character from every shounen epic ever)- it's just that CG holds him a bit closer to reality.

phew now I'm done with random character analysis, and moving on a bit (naturally, you're free to disagree, but I probably won't respond to it anymore since Suzaku discussions get incredibly lengthy and never have any real end or purpose in the first place other than some venting). Seriously, where are my CC good end flags? So far we've basically only gotten them from Kallen (well, I guess Shirley as well, but let's face it, she never had a chance in the first place), even though CC has a much larger fanbase (she comes in second to Lelouch in all the character polls). I'm hoping we get some starting in 15. I hate to say it, but I almost want Kallen out of the picture for that reason.

Oh, and my predictions for who will change sides by the end:
Anya (her death shortly follows it, but she kills an important character, probably Schnizel. Assuming Arthurian symbolism holds up and she actually is Lelouch's half-sister, anyway.)
Orange (I'm pretty sure this one will come first)
Cornelia & Co.
The European Union (Guessing this happens in ep 15 or 16 based on 16's title).

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You don't get the nickname "White Grim Reaper" for being a pacifist.... As for predictions I will save that for the aftermath of the upcoming episode. This one is going to be a megaton if it goes down like how we think it will.

Death to Suzaku! (I will build a statue in the writers honor if they murder him at some point.)

Edit: What the hell? Karen out of the picture? Why destroy the harem? I'd bet money that Karen would go for sharing him with CC at least............Come on don't ruin my other dream with your jinx!

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As for predictions I will save that for the aftermath of the upcoming episode. This one is going to be a megaton if it goes down like how we think it will.

It isn't a "how we think" the events are at least partially confirmed by a summary in a TV guide.

Spoiler for quote and big event of ep. 13

"Shirley, whose destiny was twisted by Geass, died for Geass (lit.died for the sake of Geass, I'm not really sure what to make of that bit)" is an approximate translation of the first line from the episode 14 blurb. It's possible that my translation skills (although I only double checked rather than doing it myself) and understanding of Japanese culture could be a bit off, and it just means that she was killed as a result of Geass, but that is not what I understand "Geass no tame ni" to mean.

The spoilers concerning Lelouch's actions in 14 and the ending of it are confirmed by a magazine as well (compnet, I think?). In any case, I guess it sort of matter how it happens, but I'm fairly certain that my good friend Jeremiah is not going to be the culprit.

EDIT: I only want CC to be the winner in the end. It's easier for that to happen if Kallen's out of the picture. I don't have a huge opposition to a harem end though, I just like CC better than basically all of the female characters in the show (although I find Anya very entertaining).

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Well yea CC does rule...Quick question though just how old is Kaguya?

I can't seem to find it (in fact, it was listed as "unknown" twice). However, she has to be between 12 and 16 years old, since she appears at an age close to 5 in Lelouch's flashback. I would guess 13. Honestly, I'm a bit surprised, usually that sort of information is readily available. And no, I don't beleive this is a sign that she's secretly a Geass contractor or something insane like that. The original discrepancies in Anya's age lead to that sort of speculation -_-;;, and she's clearly not Marianne (since CC still talks to Marianne) or her clone (see bust size).

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I meant Sumeragi not Anya I don't care about Anya she's so boring...she can die too. 🙂

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I meant Sumeragi not Anya I don't care about Anya she's so boring...she can die too. 🙂

It was Sumeragi's age I couldn't find, I was just trying to stop craziness before it started.

Anya's clearly far more plot important that you think 😉, although she's pretty high on my "likely to die" list (she's right underneath Xing-ke and Rollo).

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Of course good ole Anya is important I just don't like her type of character. I'm still waiting for Nina to build her nuke to kill Zero so he can steal it and nuke the emperor. (and hopefully Suzaku. 🙂 )

You sure hate Suzaku. 🤣 That's how I feel about Nina and those damn Eunuchs. -__- Anya was awesome since the 1st frame! Her personality isn't one of the greatest, but I love her character design.

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