I'm not sure if we can post about Bleach anime here so i'm gonna try and pose this to relate to the manga.
How much do you feel like the second movie kept the "feel" of how the manga is? Obviously its not a story from the manga, but just tone wise, what did you think?
I thought the first one was a pretty good movie, but didn't really feel like Bleach. For me, Bleach covers alot of stuff but at its core its action. The minimal action in the first one kinda felt out of place and the movie was more of a serious drama (but it did that very well). The second movie certainly remedied that complaint. Overall I thought it was cool. My only issue was that I felt it maybe should have had a bit more drama and emotion when it came to the main bad guy.
His story is actually kinda sad/tragic but I had as much of an emotional connection to him as I did a random arrancar that gets picked off in the manga.
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i see no problem since your trying to connect the manga and anime...
But, i hated the movie, wasn't worth the time to watch.
But, i hated the movie, wasn't worth the time to watch.
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For a movie, the animation quality was a bit off...I liked the first one better...
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i see no problem since your trying to connect the manga and anime...
But, i hated the movie, wasn't worth the time to watch.
But, i hated the movie, wasn't worth the time to watch.
Really? What was wrong with it?
This is the Hitsugaya movie right?
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I didn't hate the movie, though I thought the first was still better. I had a few problems with this movie though, since it made some characters do things they normally wouldn't do (according to the manga).
So, I thought there were definitely some flaws in the movie when it came to keeping true to the manga. Overall though, it wasn't bad.
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One of the big ones was Ikkaku going bankai in front of like 5 people. In the manga, Ikkaku is very strict about no one seeing his Bankai. In fact, the only people who know he has a Bankai are Yumichika and Renji (and I don't even know if Renji has actually seen it). For him to go Bankai so freely in front of so many people definitely doesn't fit with the story.
Also, I was bothered that Ichigo went Vizard in front of 6-7 people, and no one so much as raised an eyebrow. I mean, so far in the manga, the only people who have seen his Vizard form, or at least know about it (other than the Vizards obviously), are Orihime, Urahara, and I think Yoruichi. Byakuya can be put in that list too, but at the time Byakuya saw it, not even Ichigo knew what was going on, so it's possible that Byakuya thought it was just a rare occurrence. It just bothered me that no one even questioned what Ichigo just did.
And last but not least, I was so annoyed that Shunsui was so easily defeated by some Shinigami who doesn't even have bankai. Shunsui is one of the strongest Captains. How can he possibly be taken down by some no name Shinigami? I guess the only possible explanation is that he was caught off guard by the Shinigami also having Hyorinmaru, but that's still not reason enough.
Also, I was bothered that Ichigo went Vizard in front of 6-7 people, and no one so much as raised an eyebrow. I mean, so far in the manga, the only people who have seen his Vizard form, or at least know about it (other than the Vizards obviously), are Orihime, Urahara, and I think Yoruichi. Byakuya can be put in that list too, but at the time Byakuya saw it, not even Ichigo knew what was going on, so it's possible that Byakuya thought it was just a rare occurrence. It just bothered me that no one even questioned what Ichigo just did.
And last but not least, I was so annoyed that Shunsui was so easily defeated by some Shinigami who doesn't even have bankai. Shunsui is one of the strongest Captains. How can he possibly be taken down by some no name Shinigami? I guess the only possible explanation is that he was caught off guard by the Shinigami also having Hyorinmaru, but that's still not reason enough.
So, I thought there were definitely some flaws in the movie when it came to keeping true to the manga. Overall though, it wasn't bad.
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I didn't hate the movie, though I thought the first was still better. I had a few problems with this movie though, since it made some characters do things they normally wouldn't do (according to the manga).
So, I thought there were definitely some flaws in the movie when it came to keeping true to the manga. Overall though, it wasn't bad.
Spoiler (highlight to view)
One of the big ones was Ikkaku going bankai in front of like 5 people. In the manga, Ikkaku is very strict about no one seeing his Bankai. In fact, the only people who know he has a Bankai are Yumichika and Renji (and I don't even know if Renji has actually seen it). For him to go Bankai so freely in front of so many people definitely doesn't fit with the story.
Also, I was bothered that Ichigo went Vizard in front of 6-7 people, and no one so much as raised an eyebrow. I mean, so far in the manga, the only people who have seen his Vizard form, or at least know about it (other than the Vizards obviously), are Orihime, Urahara, and I think Yoruichi. Byakuya can be put in that list too, but at the time Byakuya saw it, not even Ichigo knew what was going on, so it's possible that Byakuya thought it was just a rare occurrence. It just bothered me that no one even questioned what Ichigo just did.
And last but not least, I was so annoyed that Shunsui was so easily defeated by some Shinigami who doesn't even have bankai. Shunsui is one of the strongest Captains. How can he possibly be taken down by some no name Shinigami? I guess the only possible explanation is that he was caught off guard by the Shinigami also having Hyorinmaru, but that's still not reason enough.
Also, I was bothered that Ichigo went Vizard in front of 6-7 people, and no one so much as raised an eyebrow. I mean, so far in the manga, the only people who have seen his Vizard form, or at least know about it (other than the Vizards obviously), are Orihime, Urahara, and I think Yoruichi. Byakuya can be put in that list too, but at the time Byakuya saw it, not even Ichigo knew what was going on, so it's possible that Byakuya thought it was just a rare occurrence. It just bothered me that no one even questioned what Ichigo just did.
And last but not least, I was so annoyed that Shunsui was so easily defeated by some Shinigami who doesn't even have bankai. Shunsui is one of the strongest Captains. How can he possibly be taken down by some no name Shinigami? I guess the only possible explanation is that he was caught off guard by the Shinigami also having Hyorinmaru, but that's still not reason enough.
So, I thought there were definitely some flaws in the movie when it came to keeping true to the manga. Overall though, it wasn't bad.
This, plus the fact that it focus'd so much on togetherness that it didn't even feel like Bleach...
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I didn't hate the movie, though I thought the first was still better. I had a few problems with this movie though, since it made some characters do things they normally wouldn't do (according to the manga).
So, I thought there were definitely some flaws in the movie when it came to keeping true to the manga. Overall though, it wasn't bad.
Spoiler (highlight to view)
One of the big ones was Ikkaku going bankai in front of like 5 people. In the manga, Ikkaku is very strict about no one seeing his Bankai. In fact, the only people who know he has a Bankai are Yumichika and Renji (and I don't even know if Renji has actually seen it). For him to go Bankai so freely in front of so many people definitely doesn't fit with the story.
Also, I was bothered that Ichigo went Vizard in front of 6-7 people, and no one so much as raised an eyebrow. I mean, so far in the manga, the only people who have seen his Vizard form, or at least know about it (other than the Vizards obviously), are Orihime, Urahara, and I think Yoruichi. Byakuya can be put in that list too, but at the time Byakuya saw it, not even Ichigo knew what was going on, so it's possible that Byakuya thought it was just a rare occurrence. It just bothered me that no one even questioned what Ichigo just did.
And last but not least, I was so annoyed that Shunsui was so easily defeated by some Shinigami who doesn't even have bankai. Shunsui is one of the strongest Captains. How can he possibly be taken down by some no name Shinigami? I guess the only possible explanation is that he was caught off guard by the Shinigami also having Hyorinmaru, but that's still not reason enough.
Also, I was bothered that Ichigo went Vizard in front of 6-7 people, and no one so much as raised an eyebrow. I mean, so far in the manga, the only people who have seen his Vizard form, or at least know about it (other than the Vizards obviously), are Orihime, Urahara, and I think Yoruichi. Byakuya can be put in that list too, but at the time Byakuya saw it, not even Ichigo knew what was going on, so it's possible that Byakuya thought it was just a rare occurrence. It just bothered me that no one even questioned what Ichigo just did.
And last but not least, I was so annoyed that Shunsui was so easily defeated by some Shinigami who doesn't even have bankai. Shunsui is one of the strongest Captains. How can he possibly be taken down by some no name Shinigami? I guess the only possible explanation is that he was caught off guard by the Shinigami also having Hyorinmaru, but that's still not reason enough.
So, I thought there were definitely some flaws in the movie when it came to keeping true to the manga. Overall though, it wasn't bad.
This, plus the fact that it focus'd so much on togetherness that it didn't even feel like Bleach...
well even though those obvious problems were present to us, it still was a decent movie on it's own though. not fantastic but interesting enough on it's own. the S.S politics was a nice spice that was added into it. so it made the story shine a bit more with it, though it could have been expanded a bit more.
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Eh... this movie wasn't that good.
It was pretty boring and confusing for the first hour, then in the last 20 minutes or so they packed in way too much action to know whats going on...
Basically they tried to give some air time to all major characters but there wasn't even enough bad guys to go around...
Also, the "bad guy" didn't seem bad at all (besides the fact he went a little crazy with blowing up everything thoughts). Why the hell Hitsugaya turned on him is something that I'll never get...
I mean they frigin KILL the guy for no apparent reason and then when he is trying to get revenge they kill him again... and Ichigo says something cheezy along the lines of:
"Its OK Toshiro, as long as your alive you can make you r own choices"
BUT what about the guy they killed!?!?!? Hes not alive anymore... bullshit.
Anyway aside from retarded plot, I didn't like how the bad guy's Hyorinmaru was purple.
That made it look sort of different (if not fake) than the "real" Hyorinmaru.
I would've liked to have seen is a fight between them.
This movie had some potential story-wise but everything was completely ruined. It's like watching the Naruto movies all over again.
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It was pretty boring and confusing for the first hour, then in the last 20 minutes or so they packed in way too much action to know whats going on...
Basically they tried to give some air time to all major characters but there wasn't even enough bad guys to go around...
Also, the "bad guy" didn't seem bad at all (besides the fact he went a little crazy with blowing up everything thoughts). Why the hell Hitsugaya turned on him is something that I'll never get...
I mean they frigin KILL the guy for no apparent reason and then when he is trying to get revenge they kill him again... and Ichigo says something cheezy along the lines of:
"Its OK Toshiro, as long as your alive you can make you r own choices"
BUT what about the guy they killed!?!?!? Hes not alive anymore... bullshit.
Anyway aside from retarded plot, I didn't like how the bad guy's Hyorinmaru was purple.
That made it look sort of different (if not fake) than the "real" Hyorinmaru.
I would've liked to have seen is a fight between them.
This movie had some potential story-wise but everything was completely ruined. It's like watching the Naruto movies all over again.
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Hmm...it's wasnt' as good as the first movie IMO, but it wasn't bad either :\
I hate how Zaraki Kenpachi was sorta shown as a "crazy guy who jumps into a fight but loses and then turns out to be strong" kind of character. Also ,and I think should be a topic(if it hasn't been made already), is it me, or Ichigo's bankai sorta doesn't work in the movies? I mean, isn't the super speed meant to be activated the whole time he's in bankai mode? It's really somewhat contradicting >.<
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I hate how Zaraki Kenpachi was sorta shown as a "crazy guy who jumps into a fight but loses and then turns out to be strong" kind of character. Also ,and I think should be a topic(if it hasn't been made already), is it me, or Ichigo's bankai sorta doesn't work in the movies? I mean, isn't the super speed meant to be activated the whole time he's in bankai mode? It's really somewhat contradicting >.<
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I agree that the character personalities are very different from the manga. There were some plot holes --- people with the same zanpakuto at the same time, the royalty of soul society being a common thought (though maybe i missed something in the manga... I thought that few people knew about the soul king), souls reforming in Hueco Mundo despite being a plus slain by zanpakuto, etc.
Really, the movie was likely a response to the Hitsugaya's popularity... They provided Hitsugaya fans with a Him-centric plot (albeit sketchy and poorly executed). The movie was for Hitsugaya fans (.... I actually hate him), only really appealing to them but unsurprisingly disappointing them and anyone else who watched the movie.
I thing the movie's connection to the manga is essentially nonexistant aside from the setting (the Bleach universe plus rushed misrepresentation of characters' personalities). Sadly the anime doesn't do the manga much justice either. It has become too long and drawn out and lost its excitement (even during the Hueco Mundo portion of the anime).
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Really, the movie was likely a response to the Hitsugaya's popularity... They provided Hitsugaya fans with a Him-centric plot (albeit sketchy and poorly executed). The movie was for Hitsugaya fans (.... I actually hate him), only really appealing to them but unsurprisingly disappointing them and anyone else who watched the movie.
I thing the movie's connection to the manga is essentially nonexistant aside from the setting (the Bleach universe plus rushed misrepresentation of characters' personalities). Sadly the anime doesn't do the manga much justice either. It has become too long and drawn out and lost its excitement (even during the Hueco Mundo portion of the anime).
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anime movies are just so much like fillers, except the whole arc is squished in to the 2-3 hour frame. it had some connection to the manga cuz the manga showed that little story of hitsugaya's past, but other than that it doesn't really help the story move on, it's just there...
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anime movies are just so much like fillers, except the whole arc is squished in to the 2-3 hour frame. it had some connection to the manga cuz the manga showed that little story of hitsugaya's past, but other than that it doesn't really help the story move on, it's just there...
i really can't call it his past in a sense since it wasn't in the manga it just seems like something that was made up on the spot to, like hubris pointed out, please Hitsugaya fans. although i don't hate him like he does, the whole movies focus on him didn't really sit that well either. since when was he such a broody loner like guy anyway? from what we see in the manga he seems more like a dutiful Captain if anything, and he does seem like the type that's focused on finding the truth of matters that cross him. but like i said before though the movie wasn't that bad. though it wasn't fantastic either though, which could be said for a lot of anime movies based on ongoing series like these.
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Talking about plot holes, I think the most important one
is How the **** can two people have the same zanpakutou,
from what i know from the manga it doesnt make any sense at all.
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is How the **** can two people have the same zanpakutou,
from what i know from the manga it doesnt make any sense at all.
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The main series are just 1000 times better that the fillers/manga.. Finally the bleach fillers are about to end!
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