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The english translation of the word...or words love comes from a Greek translation
love=Agape, Eros, Philia, Storgē and Xenia

Xenia= Courtesy shown to guests, Hospitality
Storgē= Family love
Philia= Friendship
Agape= An unexplainable love(due to rough translations it is some what non existant)
finally Eros= Passionate love

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I personally do not believe in Eros. Eros is confused with Plato's idea of beauty. He believed that Eros was recalling in another person the image or idea of the absolute beauty. in my opinion Beauty does not equal love because beauty wether inside or outside = lust which is why i don't think it technically exists but is just a concept that got confused and evolved from mistranslation and coined by hallmark for money. I wanted to know if people thought it really existed or if it really is just a figment of imagination i. e. the rreason for so many divorces in the U.S.


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Hmm, i thought Agape was painful love. I wonder why?


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I went with the 4th choice


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I went with the 4th choice

lol well read what i wrote...then vote
but u voted allready...so...u suck

oh and agape was used when the translation of the bible was happening...theres no record of the word being used because in the time period of the original greeks the word was never used. Thats why agape is usually confused as unconditional love which is actually the the love defined in Storgē.rether than nconditional it's more...undefined literally


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Quote from Chibidoro-sama

I went with the 4th choice

lol well read what i wrote...then vote
but u voted allready...so...u suck

I read it my man, but seriously, you were expecting someone to pick that choice, thats why you made it, I did you a favor


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I went with the 4th choice

lol well read what i wrote...then vote
but u voted allready...so...u suck

I read it my man, but seriously, you were expecting someone to pick that choice, thats why you made it, I did you a favor

it's sad...but true....


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i voted for all, in my opinion it´s like they are the same but towards different people or shown in a different way.
By the way, as you said beauty doesn´t equal to love, but it makes us to get atracted to other people, so if you don´t see something you like (inside or outside) in the other person you won´t love her/him.
Even if we don´t believe in something that doesn´t mean that it doesn´t exist.
Marriages don´t always involve love, there are marriages becouse of the girl´s pregnancy, because of convenience, because people don´t want to live alone, etc.


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i voted for all, in my opinion it´s like they are the same but towards different people or shown in a different way.
By the way, as you said beauty doesn´t equal to love, but it makes us to get atracted to other people, so if you don´t see something you like (inside or outside) in the other person you won´t love her/him.
Even if we don´t believe in something that doesn´t mean that it doesn´t exist.
Marriages don´t always involve love, there are marriages becouse of the girl´s pregnancy, because of convenience, because people don´t want to live alone, etc.

yes that is true thier are marriages for those purposes...but if u have ever read a bible...(like i did all through catholic private education) love is the point on a marriage and should be the only reason for it is a promise between you, your partner, and God. Which makes and even bigger point...wh ythe hell do athiests get married...and it's not the fact that we don't believe in it then it could still exist thing i'm seeing...the Eros love is a concept...it's an idea just as all descriptions of emotions that humans have. My point is it's the most irrational love so in part is it actually a love you would expierience if society never believed in it and held no stock or value in it what so ever.

oh and with the whole beauty thing...that was where the whole lust thing came into play...Lust is reaction and instinct not reason...Love is reason because it came from thoughts of man


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yes that is true thier are marriages for those purposes...but if u have ever read a bible...(like i did all through catholic private education) love is the point on a marriage and should be the only reason for it is a promise between you, your partner, and God. Which makes and even bigger point...wh ythe hell do athiests get married...and it's not the fact that we don't believe in it then it could still exist thing i'm seeing...the Eros love is a concept...it's an idea just as all descriptions of emotions that humans have. My point is it's the most irrational love so in part is it actually a love you would expierience if society never believed in it and held no stock or value in it what so ever.

oh and with the whole beauty thing...that was where the whole lust thing came into play...Lust is reaction and instinct not reason...Love is reason because it came from thoughts of man

I read the bible in school (i´m not catholic, neither an atheist, i don´t abide to any religion but i´m a theist), and yes, you have a point in what you say about how marriage is a concept initialy related to religion and that now it doesn´t hold the same compromise. But that is how human culture has developed, education in example was once too linked to religion. Love in the christian sense is more universal than the love between couples, and love between couples doesn´t necesarily involve marriage. The Romanticism wasn´t exactly a religious movement.
I don´t know why humans love, and what is that thing called love, i may have a vague idea and it may be even wrong but that is it.
I agree with you when you say that beauty (as an platonic idea) being the cause of love makes love to be rational. Being realist i say i don´t think that love is a rational procces, but neither it´s purely instinct, feelings can´t be reduced neither to reason or instinct.
Your point of view is quite interesting and rational (what do you study?)


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yes that is true thier are marriages for those purposes...but if u have ever read a bible...(like i did all through catholic private education) love is the point on a marriage and should be the only reason for it is a promise between you, your partner, and God. Which makes and even bigger point...wh ythe hell do athiests get married...and it's not the fact that we don't believe in it then it could still exist thing i'm seeing...the Eros love is a concept...it's an idea just as all descriptions of emotions that humans have. My point is it's the most irrational love so in part is it actually a love you would expierience if society never believed in it and held no stock or value in it what so ever.

oh and with the whole beauty thing...that was where the whole lust thing came into play...Lust is reaction and instinct not reason...Love is reason because it came from thoughts of man

I read the bible in school (i´m not catholic, neither an atheist, i don´t abide to any religion but i´m a theist), and yes, you have a point in what you say about how marriage is a concept initialy related to religion and that now it doesn´t hold the same compromise. But that is how human culture has developed, education in example was once too linked to religion. Love in the christian sense is more universal than the love between couples, and love between couples doesn´t necesarily involve marriage. The Romanticism wasn´t exactly a religious movement.
I don´t know why humans love, and what is that thing called love, i may have a vague idea and it may be even wrong but that is it.
I agree with you when you say that beauty (as an platonic idea) being the cause of love makes love to be rational. Being realist i say i don´t think that love is a rational procces, but neither it´s purely instinct, feelings can´t be reduced neither to reason or instinct.
Your point of view is quite interesting and rational (what do you study?)

oh lol i study liberal arts. I didn't really learn any of this from teachers or anything. Just thinking after alot of greek history. As for love(eros), I think love developed from man's attempt at dominance. Man, like lions and most animals, at the most basic level try's to show his dominance in society. In earlier times it was materials and in earlier times as technology was basically tools at best and no form of money we established our dominance with land, women and the size of our tribes. eventually the men who had multiple wives justified it through religion. through religion many ideas developed and inturn became very misinterprited. It's common sense that we do not have the exact doctrines first writen by st. Paul. Only copies and interpritations. I just personally think Eros which is the love between man and woman is a man made idea though all other loves(excluding agape) are all in nature and all rational.


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