No, guys, sorry, no poll this time. I know how much you look forward to them. :'>

To get what I mean with the title, refer to this thread and this one.

Does fantasy influence reality, or are they separate matters? Are people right when they blame fictional mediums? Do people who like manga lolicon/shotacon automatically like to sex up irl kids too? Do rape games spur people to rape more? What is your stance on this?

Do fictional characters have rights?

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Depends on the individual.

What an utterly useless reply, if I do say so myself, but yeah...

Fictional characters do not have rights, but what we view and digest through media can affect what we deem acceptable.

I don't think plain old video games can make people go out and do it.... but it makes it more acceptable?

As Sagaris said, there are people who can completely disconnect fantasy and reality. That's me. I can read incest, hentai, gore ect with the understanding that it is in no way REAL. SOME people have problems from the way they absorb media and the line between reality and fantasy begin to blur.

Example: Religious extremists. (They take things waaay too literally)

As for Rapelay and Shota/Loli... It's like endorsing these really bad things. Shota and loli aren't so bad because you are just READING or WATCHING as a thirdparty.

Rapelay, YOU make the decision to rape people, YOU make the decision to kill people, YOU make the decision to abort babies. And I think thats when you have to draw the line.

It isn't about a characters 'rights' its the affect these things can have on society.

Although I would prefer my rapists and pedophiles keeping their fantasies to games/manga/movies/anime/books.

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Does fantasy influence reality, or are they separate matters?

It's not that fantasy actually influences reality,
it's what people who treat it as something other than fantasy do.

Are people right when they blame fictional mediums?

I think it's conflicted...
It's not like every TV, or every commercial brain-washes you.
Cue the judgement in, people.
Unfortunately, people tend to be easily influenced.

Do people who like manga lolicon/shotacon automatically like to sex up irl kids too?

Like I have stated in the past, I read the occasional loli/shota when I'm bored.
I don't see manga characters, especially ones in hentai as real people.
Yes, they portray sex acts.
Yes, the lolis/shotas are supposed to portray kids.
But from what I read, they never resemble kids other than being small in comparison.

I'm not interested in having sex with little children.
I think it's wrong.
But hentai is fiction. It does not reflect reality.

Do rape games spur people to rape more?

A rapist is a rapist.
About it making people rape more... I can't say.
Someone with tendencies to rape will most likely rape,
regardless of any games he/she might play.

Do fictional characters have rights?

Well, as much as one can sympathise/feel sorry/feel anything for them, they're but fictional characters.
No, they don't have rights because they are not human, for ones.
And they're not real.

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Do fictional characters have rights?

Well, as much as one can sympathise/feel sorry/feel anything for them, they're but fictional characters.
No, they don't have rights because they are not human, for ones.
And they're not real.

Since they're fictional characters, maybe they can have fictional rights? 😕

The way I see it, anyone who has trouble seperating fiction from reality has issues.
If someone does something due to the influence of something else, he/she is most likely psychotic. And I don't mean serial killer, baby raping, random acts of violence comitting psychotic, though it can, just the mentally not quite right kind of psychotic.
The mind controls the whole body after all, and saying a book or a movie made you kill random people is just a bunch of crap.
Unless of course, you're psychotic. But then it still isn't the fault of that particular piece of fiction, your brain just doesn't work quite right.
But even then you are still at least half responsible. Since there are plenty of psychotic people who can manage their psychosis just fine without stabbing kindergartners.
While on the subject of psychosis and since loli/shotacon was mentioned.
I see pedophilia as a psychosis. It's not your fault that you have it, you need help handeling it so see a psychiatrist. However, the moment you give in and act on it, you should be neutered.
That's right, I am in favor of neutering convicted pedophiles. Maybe I should propose a bill or something.
Help control child rape incidents, neuter your pedophile today!

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Does fantasy influence reality, or are they separate matters? Are people right when they blame fictional mediums? Do people who like manga lolicon/shotacon automatically like to sex up irl kids too? Do rape games spur people to rape more? What is your stance on this?

Ok, let's say so. The history shows that there have been completely screwed people in every age at every time be those christians or muslims, hindus or budhists. People would do that even without these kinds of games at about the same amount. You might even say that these things take of the heat from all the perverts and they abuse 2D characters instead of waiting till the moment they boil over and go to screw a pre-puberty girl.
Of course that goes only till moment the geeks understand that their rape and lolicon fetishes are not normal. When you see how pedophiles try to make their own party in Netherlands it becomes understandable that a line must be made. Just to remind us all that a part of the japanese crazy shit is far from normal. Question is were should the line be drawn.

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Does fantasy influence reality, or are they separate matters?

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It's not that fantasy actually influences reality,
it's what people who treat it as something other than fantasy do.

I like this answer.

Are people right when they blame fictional mediums?

Some people are more affected by media than others. It really depends on how it effects the people who see it. Though as not to avoid answering, I think it doesn't, as most people are level headed enough to separate reality form fantasy.

Do people who like manga lolicon/shotacon automatically like to sex up irl kids too?

The big thing here is that with most fiction, especially in the realm of erotica, is not true to life. Lolicon/shotacon depicts underage girls with much more intelligence, though still childlike. Lolicons/shotacons are also given a libido, which most kids don't even have. I have also seen them given more adult features, not extremely, but very improbable. Most real life children are moody, selfish, stupid, and definitely do not have a sex drive. Thus I believe that readers of the genre like the lolicon/shotacon they're presented with, not with what is in real life.

Do rape games spur people to rape more?

Very slightly. If someone is on the fence about doing it, it may push that person over the edge or stop them depending on how it's represented to the player. If someone wants to rape someone or does not, I don't think it will affect them.

Do fictional characters have rights?

No. Thee creators have rights with their characters though.

Fantasy do apply on reality.
Star Trek for example ^^

Fantasy of individuals that relate to others?,no
We can assume from GTA, and beside sex novels existed quite some time,manga just a picture book verson ^^ you don't see it being an up roar.

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