Hair Not?/Hot?
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Well, IMO women should have as little hair below their neck as possible. Pubes are fine. But armpit hair on women is ugly.
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Ummm.
I'm not into girls... Just sayin`... But basically everything, everything NightSwan has said.
As for guys... Well... No chest/back/butt hair! Facial hair should be kept to a minimum... I don't mind armpit hair. Ahhh... My boyfriend is perfect.
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Maybe I should just give up the debate, but I like the subject... so here I come! ^^
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Actually, this subject (shaving or not) isn't even super related to feminism. It's only that it's often aborded by feminist girls, saying we should be free to do what we want with our body.
(That's what I said in a previous comment)
I know. It doesn't have really a thing to do with feminism. It's just often aborded by them. You can be feminist in many different ways and OF COURSE you can shave and be feminist! Your beliefs and your physic aren't the same things.
Just a random exemple: Some says that prostitution is bad, other says it's aright. There are HUGE gaps. It's another exemple of ''how should we perceive the women's bodies''.
But you're right, maybe we should just come back to the base of feminism, which is just equality for everybody.
I'm sorry if I offended someone.
Personally, I thougt it was related because (personaly) I think that this mode of shaving armpit tend to obligate women to do this ''unless, they're not real women (or, pretty)''.
It's also meant to make the women sex looks younger and I'm also against this campaign of eternal youngness and beauty. Be Young be perfect, be pretty. People won't believe that too (but it's one of the hidden reasons of shaving) I personally think it's normal that mature body parts get hairs.
But please, these are what I believe. I don't ask people to Immediately, Obligatory, think the same.
I'm also against, for exemple, Kelvin Klein publicities with super over muscular men. I just want people to know that they don't have to be like the publicities or follow the mode and it doesn't keep them for beeing beautiful/handsome persons.
In the end, I think my real quest is just fighting against unatural stereotypes. Maybe feminism isn't the right name for my way of thinking, but I don't know what it's called.
I wouldn't want a mouth full of hair, thank you very much.
About cunnilingus. I guess it depends of people. Some prefer hair while doing it while other don't (like you and you totally have the right to). In both ways, there are different sensations.
Yeah, sometime we think it's a bit disgusting to have hair in our mouth, but it's a natural problem. Am I the only one not giving a shit if my man have hair? If ever one get in my mouth, okay it hapens, it's not funny but I'll just spit it. But other people have the right not to think like that.
Sex is viewed as something that should be all perfect and clean because of pornography. But in reality, it may happens people will fart, have hair, make noises, be fat, be too fast/slow, have a unperfect skin etc.! xD Real life isn't in the commercials and pornography.
But again, I say: Everyone have their tastes. One thing that should be clear: I'm not forcing my opinion on anybody. I think some things are natural, but natural or not, we all like or dislike things and have the right to choose what we want!
If you shave or not depends of your tastes and you have the right to do what you want.**** I'm only giving some arguments agaisn't shaving. Arguments that we never hear because the majority think the inverse****
Get out of the sterotypes and everybody loses ther mind! xD
Not long ago, the big mode was to shave your eyebrows and write them back with crayon. Now, hairy eyebrow are considered beautiful and shaved ones horrible. They also said at that time: <<Oh, it's so not usefull! All that hair on your face, it's unatural, it doesn't belong here. It's just an error, something that didn't get off after monkeys. While the truth is that it's a protection for your eyes. Yet, people didn't want to believe it, like you don't want to believe me when I say that pubic hair and armpit hair are a natural protection and very important to your body. But I'm seriously done with everyone who don't want to believe the SCIENTIFICAL FACTS goddammit. =| (Not mad, just thinking... documentation is best)
Yup, the common Rumor that it's something that stayed after our ancestor is absolutely false.
Other fact if you want: Hair = less friction when having sex = less risk of damaging skin or over-heating.
There are tons of interesting things like these you should know.
Yet, the goods and the bads are up to people to choose.
Hair may not seem important now because we live in Highly asceptised countries (well, for many) where, as you said, we keep clean and wash everyday. So of course, before they were MORE important, yet, they can still have their role to play.
Most of all, it's a cultural thing Well, that's actually my point all along =|
What if it's a hormonal problem? Well. Pubic hair and armpit hair are no hormonal problem. And I never said you should never ever shave anything. If you have a beard cause of hormonal problems. It's up to you to shave or not.
You also talked about head's hairs. That's the same thing. You shave or not. But I could say it's better to keep it to keep the head hot (which it needs). Would you come and say: OMG! She's saying a argument against shaving heads! She's totally agaisnt it and tell everyone to keep them. Wow minute! I'm only saying an argument against! No obligation!
And then you could say: Girl you'll know that when you have hair on your head you can also have louses so it's totally unclean! And then I'll say it's a natural problem and it happens. And you could say It's what's left of monkeys. And then I'll say no, it have it's purpose!
You see the paradox? Everything is related to era and culture. I was oposing the same arguments here, but only because it's a different body part. It shock and seems wrong.
Like: How did your parent react when you told them you were heterosexual? Where they shocked? Did you think it was only a phase and after some homosexual sex your idea could change? Did you know there were cure against heterosexuality if you wish to become homosexual? Rape is mostly commited by heterosexual, is it safe to have heterosexual teachers in our schools? Should the heterosexual have the right to show their sexual orientation by holding hands and kissing in public? (Here I make a little wink at many French people ;D)
Those are question you ask homosexuals, but when asked to hetero they seem wrong.
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Yeah, sometime we think it's a bit disgusting to have hair in our mouth, but it's a natural problem.
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Wait...did I unknowingly travel to a universe where we're all animals?
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Like: How did your parent react when you told them you were heterosexual? Where they shocked? Did you think it was only a phase and after some homosexual sex your idea could change? Did you know there were cure against heterosexuality if you wish to become homosexual? Rape is mostly commited by heterosexual, is it safe to have heterosexual teachers in our schools? Should the heterosexual have the right to show their sexual orientation by holding hands and kissing in public? (Here I make a little wink at many French people ;D)
Those are question you ask homosexuals, but when asked to hetero they seem wrong.
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No...I think they sound wrong no matter who you ask.
12 years ago
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Quote from Essentially, a Feminazi Didn't you read NightSwan and I? She's right that the hair problem isn't necessarily associated to feminism and I'm sorry if it looked like I associated them too much.
I'm far from a Feminazi. =.= I showed many exemples earlier.
(And absolutely not like you describe ''Feminazis'')
Yeah, sometime we think it's a bit disgusting to have hair in our mouth, but it's a natural problem. Hahahhaahaha! xD By that I only meant: It happens. =) And it's not the end of the world either...
Wait...did I unknowingly travel to a universe where we're all animals? Are you really stoping at physical matters to determinate humanity or not =.=
If animals are only caracterized by the fact they have hair... are you treating all Africans or many other population like animals? Most people in the world don't shave ya know. It's a cultural matter from ''modern'' societies.
And actually, depending on which branch of philosophy you look at, there are philosophers that says humans are animals. But I won't start on this subject because I haven't read about these enough to make myself an idea.
No...I think they sound wrong no matter who you ask. I didn't want to say it was ''right'' to ask these questions to gay/lesbian people. What I wanted to show was that it surprises us because we realise we never asked ourselves these questions, yet we ask them to others only because they have a different sexual orientation.
By the way, I really love how you put gifs in your messages! =) It's really entertaining and it's an original way to show what you think.
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12 years ago
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Yeah, sometime we think it's a bit disgusting to have hair in our mouth, but it's a natural problem. Hahahhaahaha! xD By that I only meant: It happens. =) And it's not the end of the world either...
Wait...did I unknowingly travel to a universe where we're all animals? Are you really stoping at physical matters to determinate humanity or not =.=
If animals are only caracterized by the fact they have hair... are you treating all Africans or many other population like animals? Most people in the world don't shave ya know. It's a cultural matter from ''modern'' societies.
No, by animals, I mean furry creatures who normally get hair in their mouths.
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No, by animals, I mean furry creatures who normally get hair in their mouths. lol, How is that a good definiton of animals. They don't eat hair dude.
And I repeat. Do you consider humans animal only with that fact... seriously...
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Oh gee, I don't know, do some humans normally lick their furry genitals/body to clean themselves and/or as a form of affection (which in turn, gets hair in their mouth)?!
If so...eew.
12 years ago
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Oh gee, I don't know, do some humans normally lick their furry genitals/body to clean themselves and/or as a form of affection (which in turn, gets hair in their mouth)?!
If so...eew.
Okay... wtf... Humans don't clean themselves by licking their genitals. I never talked about something like that.
Second, what I was talking about was the cunnilingus which is, yes, a sexual activity. Girls give blowjobs, boys gives cunnilingus (in a heterosexual vision of society). It says you're 23 on your profile? Haven't you heard of this already? It's pretty well know, but I guess it depends on where you live. And I talked about that to reply to NightSwan who talked about it and also because it's the reason many people use as a reason to shave (and they have the right to, too).
It doesn't make Humans animals
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12 years ago
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I'm so cute! thanks
Nah, seriously. When you start saying that... it means you've lost. (If I understood your image correctly, you're saying your argument is so over my person and/or capacity of understanding).
Perhaps you just ran out of replies (and it's alright.)
You know, it's not the end of the world and we're not fighting a battle on who's right and who's not. (We can all have different opinions.) When having nothing less to say or beeing proven wrong in a debate, it's better just admiting it than losing the face with attacks or pointless argument. It's the principal use of a debate to discuss position and decide if we keep our beliefs or decide to change them. And you'll receive respect in both cases: defending your position or admiting you change it.
Don't read too deep into simple things.
If that's not the case (and please don't feel offended if that's not the case), can you explain to me what I was supposed to see here?
Otherwise, I think we can end it here.
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12 years ago
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LMAO
No, that's not what I meant.
It seems like this entire "argument" is based on you misunderstanding what I'm saying.
That image simply means JUST THAT. My point zipped past you, ie. You missed it.
It is pointless to take this any further as I simply don't have enough fucks to give so...yeah.
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12 years ago
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I don't see how I misinterpreted, but Okay! Thanks you. It was fun. 🙂 Have great day.
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Wait...did I unknowingly travel to a universe where we're all animals?
What are you, a vegetable? Stop posting those wtf picture, it's annoying. Pumpkin has been polite and fairly logical in her arguments while you've yet to give a single logical argument but instead have only been attacking her.
As for the heating thing:
When you have body hair, it leaves space between your body and clothes. If it's cold and the clothing is tight against your skin the cloths conduct the heat faster to the cold air, but when there's body hair and therefore air between your skin and cloths it slows the rate with which you lose the heat and therefore stay warmer for longer.
When it's hot outside it works the other way around. Cloths tight against the skin and the heat transfers faster to your body and your body heat can't transfer the heat so efficiently out from your body.
About sweating: in cold weather if there's no air between your skin and clothes you can sweat more easily and the moisture helps conduct the heat more quickly out from your body. In warm weather it's not a big concern if sweating doesn't bother you except that you dehydrate faster (and smell of sweat of course).
Many people have a weird logic regarding this heating thing: In cold winter your feet gets cold easily > put on knitted wool socks > feet are warm > knitted wool socks warm the feet > knitted wool socks are hellishly hot in summer.
What's going on really: In cold winter your feet gets cold easily > put on knitted wool socks > feet are warm > knitted wool is sparse and therefore there is a lot of air and also breathes well, therefore keeping the feet warm and dry > in the summer keeps the feet cool and dry.
Regarding the cultural aspect:
Internationally (as there are exceptions all the way from ancient Egyptian nobility removing all hair, and not just body hair either) women shaving their legs is a new thing (post-WWII) from when short (above ankles) skirts came into fashion.
Far-off places with sweet sounding names.
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What are you, a vegetable? Stop posting those wtf picture, it's annoying.
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How doing so makes me a vegetable makes as much sense as Pumpkin's posts.
Pumpkin has been polite and fairly logical in her arguments
Is that you trying to be polite, or you just beating around the bush?
while you've yet to give a single logical argument but instead have only been attacking her. This is true - because let's face it, it's easier to throw rocks at a wall than try to argue with it. Though in my defense, my "attacks" were just me picking on whatever she's saying that doesn't hold much water in an argument.
Like how having hair in your mouth is a natural problem.
Or suddenly bringing up "paradoxes" (according to her) involving sexual preferences that has nothing to do with the topic.
There's no need to give logical arguments to these ._.
