Julian Assange and Wikileaks
15 years ago
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I don't really care about it .... there isn't anything we can do about it ... the sun will once it goes supernova.
I'm familiar with that way of thinking i used (and still sometimes)think like that
but we all know deep inside is that it's wrong to think like that
so what are you suggesting ?
sit at home and wait for the sun to go supernova ?? no that won't happen even if the universe will collapse (the big crunch)
that's what they are expecting of us! they want us to be fatalists killed one by one and every-time one sheep is killed the others just push a sigh of relief "lucky!! it's not me,I'm safe today"
Assange and Manning where brave yet the world instead of celebrating them as they are "brave men"
they are instead insulted or ignored, some calls them traitors, some calls them CIA backed leakers
,otherones question their intention and the majority say that won't change things
what do you expect if the govansters and the banksters will do when they see the herd petrified and resigned 😕 they continue to do the business as usual ( kill, spoil, bribe ... ) as long the people are satisfied, resigned, brainwashed and the worst of it "Imperially Mobilized" 🤢
Australia the land where once Imperial Mobilization killed thousands of it's young boys at the chores of Galipoli,Keith Murdoch the father of Rubert Murdoch was the one that revealed the scandal of that massacre. Yet what is his son doing now??
enlighten yoursulf with the article at this link Crack the Muck! 🙂

15 years ago
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Not surprised, doesn't affect things much anyway. Wikileaks is not Assange, he's just become its figurehead.
QFT
Too many people are making a really big deal about Assange. He's just a mortal guy who posted cables on a website. Anyone can do that. Okay, granted, not anyone willing to risk their lives, but I'm just saying that just because Assange is arrested or assassinated or whatever his punishment will be doesn't mean this is going to stop. By the looks of the outrage of the people, I'd say Assange's role is simply a catalyst for many things to come. Hopefully, more people are inspired to really find the truth, despite risking their lives as Assange did. I bet Assange meant to represent a figurehead to take the blame—to distract everyone while another conspiracy is currently in the works of being revealed.
Also, if anything, Bradley Manning should be the one considered the hero. He was the one who got the goddamn cables anyway!

15 years ago
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After Joe Biden call Julian a "High-Tech Terrorist" and Bank of America cut off Wikileaks payment
now, apple removes Wikileaks App from App Store.... --> http://techcrunch.com/2010/12/20/apple-removes-wikileaks-app-from-app-store/
i just began to question U.S Gov democracy... their definition of democracy doesnt fit their act.
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15 years ago
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Glenn Greenwald is my hero
Well, what do you expect from Bush's Homeland Security Advisor anyway? Nothing.

15 years ago
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Warn: Banned
Well, I mean....certain things aren't meant to be revealed in public, even in a democratic republic like the US. As long as every nation is looking out for itself in the self interest manner, each nation can't but help to do certain gray things.
How do you think the government can support all this 😳 material we have while people in certain parts of Africa are starving to death. 😀
My dear, materials doesn't appear out of nowhere. Where one country has an excessive amount, another lacks.
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14 years ago
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Well, I mean....certain things aren't meant to be revealed in public, even in a democratic republic like the US.
did you forget accountability ?? the government must comply to the will of the nation (it's just an one of many institution that serve the nation) and thus it's just a tool it serves the nation not the opposite!
and how can we achieve accountability ? if we don't have transparency and other tools (institutions,media,NGOs...) that watch and monitor the government
and any undercover underground actions done by persons belonging to the govs is a conspiracy
and a breach of the contract of the institution and thus must be disclosed, attacked and judged.
and government that control other National institutions via undercover ties and secret networks is a totalitarian system and is dangerous because it's prone to tyranny
As long as every nation is looking out for itself in the self interest manner ....while people in certain parts of Africa are starving to death. 😀
sad but true , it can't be helped that some are poor but the problem is when some countries sabotage other countries growing economy,democratic system because of near sighted self interest like those advocated by objectivitist of the RAND institute
and when they get it back (or coming to them) they complain of anti-[mycountry] sentiments
don't think the rest if the world is stupid and can't understand that your action are negative and don't take thing out of context ...

14 years ago
Posts: 1668
Warn: Banned
did you forget accountability ?? the government must comply to the will of the nation (it's just an one of many institution that serve the nation) and thus it's just a tool it serves the nation not the opposite!
and how can we achieve accountability ? if we don't have transparency and other tools (institutions,media,NGOs...) that watch and monitor the government
and any undercover underground actions done by persons belonging to the govs is a conspiracy
and a breach of the contract of the institution and thus must be disclosed, attacked and judged.
and government that control other National institutions via undercover ties and secret networks is a totalitarian system and is dangerous because it's prone to tyranny
I understand the principle of democracy, thank you very much. But I must point out we are not true democracy. We are constitutional republic, that is all. There is much limit. No doubt if we want to achieve true democracy, we need more transparency. But for now, we lost too many rights to even protest in any effect. There's no reason to be fool hardly blurt out things that can get you arrested and put into a torture chamber for the rest of your life.
There's so many unconstitutional things they have done....nationally and internationally that if we don't support them, the country will rip itself apart. I don't see any solution other than going along with it......bad for other countries.....and the unfortunate few, but stable for the majority mass ignorant of where their wealth is from.
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14 years ago
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It may be good to know what the government is hiding away from the people but that may also generate chaos within the nation. Julian's action is risky because it can disturb the balance of the world. Who knows what will happen. Lets just hope its not bad.

14 years ago
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For me he isn't a hero or anything, just someone spreading things that sometimes is better left alone. Everyone in power need to make decisions and do things that aren't always "correct", but that doesn't mean the whole world needs to know about it. Like others have said, it can even create chaos and mistrust among the people.
The best way to describe how I see what he is doing, is like a student in high school listening on other students conversations and then posting everything they said online in an blog. There then will be conversations from bullies harassing some kid or gossip how one girl hates an other. And everyone will know about it and will be surprised who said it but in the end it won't help relations between the bullies and the harassed kid and the girls who were gossiping they hated each other.
So sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs just sleep cause their bite might be worse then their bark.
So tell me, what's it like living in a constant haze of stupidity?

14 years ago
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For me he isn't a hero or anything, just someone spreading things that sometimes is better left alone. Everyone in power need to make decisions and do things that aren't always "correct", but that doesn't mean the whole world needs to know about it. Like others have said, it can even create chaos and mistrust among the people.
The best way to describe how I see what he is doing, is like a student in high school listening on other students conversations and then posting everything they said online in an blog. There then will be conversations from bullies harassing some kid or gossip how one girl hates an other. And everyone will know about it and will be surprised who said it but in the end it won't help relations between the bullies and the harassed kid and the girls who were gossiping they hated each other.
So sometimes it's better to let sleeping dogs just sleep cause their bite might be worse then their bark.
Well actually, there's a much better way to describe it.
Imagine every person in the world is a student, enrolled in their own respective schools, which represents their country. So every government official is someone in power(hall moniter, teacher, whatever) with the president/dictator/prime minister being the principal of the school. So as a student, you just mind your own business: doing work, taking tests, making friends etc. You don't have much power individually because you're little compared to the adults. You also end up placing too much trust in those adults. In turn, you don't notice the teachers and principals amongst the schools conspiring together or amongst each other about different issues like cafeteria food or grade systems or subject topics.
Now here's where Julian comes in. He's that bright kid that has enough common sense to think for himself and find truth and justice. What he does is use his connections to find out what the principals and teachers are really talking about, and eventually....BAM the next day, you find flyers dispersed throughout the schools revealing the secret conversations amongst those teachers and principals. You find out you and your fellow students were brainwashed into supporting your principal in trying to take over that tiny school because you thought it needed drastic reformation, when all it was that your principal wanted to suck the lunch money from your pockets.
Of course, yes, tensions would rise amongst the schools, but look at it like this: do you want to mindlessly put your trust in people you believe are supposed to take care of you?
I'm not aware of everything he's released, given the sheer volume of what he's managed to obtain, so my view on him is conditional. At best, I don't view him as a hero, just a good journalist doing what journalists are supposed to do... and that's at best.
If he's released anything so confidential or sensitive that it gets people killed, even one person, he's nothing more than a disgusting murderer and spy.
That's what I think of Mr. Assange. If nothing truly awful comes of this, I'll chalk it up to effective journalism and thank him for the information. Otherwise, I hate him for the people he's hurt, the lives he's ruined, and the disservice he's done to my nation, one which he has special connection to to begin with. Whatever it turns out to be, I can't say as I think of him as being a hero. He's probably already caused severe emotional discomfort for many people as it is.

14 years ago
Posts: 1668
Warn: Banned
Now here's where Julian comes in. He's that bright kid that has enough common sense to think for himself and find truth and justice.
Personally, I think Julian is just a paranoid individual used by the government. If you look at all the releases....none of it indicate any real imminent threat to any country. They are just pieces and bits of information that are rumors, and politician's opinions. I think someone feed the Lt. and feed Julian these useless information to direct our attention from some hidden bigger more serious event. Honestly, I would have thought something more shocking like: "The high officials are now being replaced by aliens" or something lol.
I mean, in my opinion....Julian's release portrays other countries more irrational and erratic while the US government seems more stable and overall the "lesser of two evils"....
Which alerts my paranoid conspiracy theorist imagination that Julian was used....
Let's face it, if the US government didn't want Julian to publish these things, it wouldn't be hard. And they kept track of him since several years ago.
I think even the PM and ex-president of Russia, Putin, said Julian was just a diversion. And I give more credit to Putin's opinion than political commentators on CNN, FOX, and other news channel. I mean, for god sakes, Putin is ex-KGB, if anyone should be more qualified to comment on this issue.... 🤣
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14 years ago
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do you want to mindlessly put your trust in people you believe are supposed to take care of you?
Well the fact is, you've yourself or if you're not old enough the people around you who are, have voted, or should have voted if they didn't, for those people to make decisions on your behalf. It's easy to jab at the governments but don't forget most governments in the western world are populated with people chosen by the public to represent the public.
And if you think you can do a better job, learn the skills needed and try to get in the government yourself.
So tell me, what's it like living in a constant haze of stupidity?
14 years ago
Posts: 302
for the people who think that it's better not to know i think the kids school analogy is ironically spot-on
those people deserve no freedom (i know that every human have a right to be free but..well forget it)
do you know what authoritarian regime is ?
it's a regime that treat it's people as adults treats brats, it pretends that it knows best what is the the best interest of the brats/people it take care of while justifying any punishment/crackdown or expulsion/imprisonment as purging bad apples to prevent home/school/country integrity
so if you think that your intellectual potential is limited or you are brain-dead and that your parent/teacher/president is better placed to take decision for you than you're free ( that is if you are free!) to think that.
The best course of action is to start thinking for yourself
if someone came to you telling that your chaperon/president is doing something not in your best interest would you chase him for badmouthing your idolized person or would you believe him without any proof or better would you tell him to give you proof and start scrutinizing yourself to understand what happened and why and confront the denounced person yourself........
keep playing, Big Brother will take care of your Inheritance...

14 years ago
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keep playing, Big Brother will take care of your Inheritance...
Lol, but I'm so lazy and selfish that I don't care where my wealth is from or what liberty concept I betrayed by turning a blind eye. It's just easier this way....I guess eventually, in my grandsons' lie time, this will evolve into a full blown authoritarian system...like in the movie V for Vendetta.
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I think it is exactly the topic. I see nothing wrong.