This week's poll from cowsrawesome could potentially bother some people, but I'm gonna put it up anyways, since it's something to think about. Of the given options, which one of the sexist tropes bothers you the most? Your peeve may not be on that list, but choose the closest fit of the available choices.
You can submit poll ideas here (and try to keep them manga/anime-related)
http://www.mangaupdates.com/showtopic.php?tid=3903
Previous Poll Results:
Question: What kind of humor do you think you most develop after reading your usual manga?
Choices:
Awkward - votes: 530 (6%)
Serious or Dark - votes: 725 (8.3%)
Cute - votes: 537 (6.1%)
Fake - votes: 52 (0.6%)
Deadpan - votes: 516 (5.9%)
Silly - votes: 624 (7.1%)
Slapstick - votes: 364 (4.2%)
Sarcastic or Ironic - votes: 1861 (21.2%)
Witty - votes: 477 (5.4%)
Perverted - votes: 1101 (12.6%)
Weird - votes: 523 (6%)
Friendly - votes: 269 (3.1%)
None at all - votes: 1183 (13.5%)
There were 8762 total votes.
The poll ended: September 19th 2014
I agree that this was a really weird poll, but some stuff happened over the last week that caused me to not have time to really focus on deciding on a weekly poll, and I also didn't have time to change it to something else once I realized just how badly worded this one was... So oh well.
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Post #652426
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Oh look, slimy American political posturing is now attacking manga. You guys never rest do you?
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What bothers me the most is SJW shit trying to shoehorn their believes into my manga and anime everywhere.
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Because SJWs and other amerifat crazies don't consider males as humans.
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ugh
all of it... it was really REALLY hard to decide.. i falling in love with rapist just cuz...
all of them are ultra common
all of them are horrible
and whats worse there are a lot more
all of them make me want find the author/s and editor/s and beat the shit out of them... granted I wont do it (so please dont call the cops/agents/etc on me)... but the disgust is very strong
And the annoying part is.... while its there OBVIOUSLY littering the shounen and seinen genres.. the josei and shoujo arent that clean either...
its so pervasive that women impose it on themselves as a cultural thing that infests their view of the world of how things should be...the victims see whts done to them as being right in the world...like how in some REAAALLY backwards cultures women who face severe domestic violence see it as normal and the way should be...
or like when in the US, when women were about to be given the right to vote and own property, legions of women came out saying tht it is an evil thing that will cause mischief in the land
anyway.... one of my biggest gripes on ESPECIALLY fucking shounen are ALL of these, cuz theyre are used both in high quantity and intensity...
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all of it... it was really REALLY hard to decide.. i falling in love with rapist just cuz...
all of them are ultra common
all of them are horrible
and whats worse there are a lot more
all of them make me want find the author/s and editor/s and beat the shit out of them... granted I wont do it (so please dont call the cops/agents/etc on me)... but the disgust is very strong
And the annoying part is.... while its there OBVIOUSLY littering the shounen and seinen genres.. the josei and shoujo arent that clean either...
its so pervasive that women impose it on themselves as a cultural thing that infests their view of the world of how things should be...the victims see whts done to them as being right in the world...like how in some REAAALLY backwards cultures women who face severe domestic violence see it as normal and the way should be...
or like when in the US, when women were about to be given the right to vote and own property, legions of women came out saying tht it is an evil thing that will cause mischief in the land
anyway.... one of my biggest gripes on ESPECIALLY fucking shounen are ALL of these, cuz theyre are used both in high quantity and intensity...
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Post #652434
I don't mind a lot of tropes, they can be bad but sometimes they can be played properly, that is to say that as long as it ironically I don't mind it (sorry, I know a lot of people will disagree with me on this one), of course most things on that list are played terribly and tend to be both sexist and annoying, but what I just can't stand is"but you're a girl!" statements.
Specially if the girl blushes or is "happy" because of it... Holy shit dude what the fuck? Do authors really think that's how It should be done? It feels like looking down on the girl, seriously. If the girl is the villain and the main character doesn't hit her that as well feels terrible to me. One shouldn't take sex into account in that kind of thing, again it feels like looking down on somebody because of the amount of Y chromosomes.
Another thing that bothers me and is not listed is that women in manga can beat the living shit out of guys, because It seems like it's a joke if girls beat up somebody, but the other way around is an abomination. Double standard much?
There are plenty of sexist things that affect males on manga as well. Generalization and double standards are too common in fiction in general, and It's never taken seriously because a man doesn't have the right to complain about it, which bothers me, and you can tell I'm not exaggerating because it's not even part of the poll, and probably wasn't even considered.
Specially if the girl blushes or is "happy" because of it... Holy shit dude what the fuck? Do authors really think that's how It should be done? It feels like looking down on the girl, seriously. If the girl is the villain and the main character doesn't hit her that as well feels terrible to me. One shouldn't take sex into account in that kind of thing, again it feels like looking down on somebody because of the amount of Y chromosomes.
Another thing that bothers me and is not listed is that women in manga can beat the living shit out of guys, because It seems like it's a joke if girls beat up somebody, but the other way around is an abomination. Double standard much?
There are plenty of sexist things that affect males on manga as well. Generalization and double standards are too common in fiction in general, and It's never taken seriously because a man doesn't have the right to complain about it, which bothers me, and you can tell I'm not exaggerating because it's not even part of the poll, and probably wasn't even considered.
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I seriously don't know what to vote since I'm a girl and I don't mind them too much, sexism and stereotypical point of views have always existed. But I'll choose Sexual Assault portrayed as a joke since it's by no means a joke, tough I don't think of this as a part of sexism.
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So shounen and shoujo manga are pretty shameless when it comes to objectifying people of the opposite sex of their demographic (and sometimes even the same sex). Seinen and Josei handle things more maturely but there are some instances where they don't.
But I voted for the rape is love part because whereas the objectification parts are minor annoyances (it's cynical, but pretty much every medium is filled with examples of objectification), having a person do horrible shit to the character (not just sexual abuse, but also physical and sometimes verbal in certain levels) and have the character fall in love with them at the end kinda makes me hate both the giving and receiving character. At that point it stop being a social issue and outright becomes a narrative one.
But I voted for the rape is love part because whereas the objectification parts are minor annoyances (it's cynical, but pretty much every medium is filled with examples of objectification), having a person do horrible shit to the character (not just sexual abuse, but also physical and sometimes verbal in certain levels) and have the character fall in love with them at the end kinda makes me hate both the giving and receiving character. At that point it stop being a social issue and outright becomes a narrative one.
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You forgot the option "I don't care about sexism".
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Quote from zeroINUGAMI
also how come most of them are only sexist tropes against females, there are tons of sexist tropes against males (shoujos are full of them)
This, but I guess that requires too many options.
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I agree with mystichead and BlackOrion. No matter which demographic you read, they all contain a fair amount of sexism towards both genders.
How about changing the poll to include both genders? Most options could be changed to apply to both anyway:
- Statements like "but you're a girl!"/ "aren't you a man!"
- Objectification
- Falling in love with their rapist/ abuser
- "All women/ men are..."
- Sexual assault/rape/ physical abuse/domestic violence portrayed as a joke
- Harassment/ violence is okay because "she's playing hard to get"/ "he's a pervert (anyway)"
- Damsel in distress/ weak-willed loser
- Girls solely exist to be a love interest/ Guys need to be all-rounders
- Jealous, vain, cruel, violent and/or possessive fangirls/ admirers
- Madonna/whore or Gentleman/pervert dichotomy
- What? Sexism still exists?
@FormX Not really, see above.
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How about changing the poll to include both genders? Most options could be changed to apply to both anyway:
- Statements like "but you're a girl!"/ "aren't you a man!"
- Objectification
- Falling in love with their rapist/ abuser
- "All women/ men are..."
- Sexual assault/rape/ physical abuse/domestic violence portrayed as a joke
- Harassment/ violence is okay because "she's playing hard to get"/ "he's a pervert (anyway)"
- Damsel in distress/ weak-willed loser
- Girls solely exist to be a love interest/ Guys need to be all-rounders
- Jealous, vain, cruel, violent and/or possessive fangirls/ admirers
- Madonna/whore or Gentleman/pervert dichotomy
- What? Sexism still exists?
@FormX Not really, see above.
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- Blood Alone by TAKANO Masayuki
- Otoyomegatari by MORI Kaoru
- Gangsta. by Kohske
- Seishun Kouryakuhon by AKIZUKI Sorata
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There's no "I don't care" option.
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