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how do you feel when someone conveys the word gay or homosexual in a demeaning context
outraged focusing on teaching that person what he did was insenitive
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Post #196313 - Reply to (#196311) by Chibidoro-sama
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Because that is the propaganda I grew up with, "Gay people are sick, and against God, they should be killed and will go to hell", you were not born in such environment so you have different views and opinions, I have been taught my whole life that gay people are sick, so I think that they are sick, so everybody around me thinks that they are sick, and so will the kids of everyone around me, and in my country it will never change, and that is why nobody gives a damn if someone abuses a gay guy, good enough for you, I just stated my opinion, no need to get all high and mighty on me because of it


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Don't misunderstand, i understand what i said could be taken as flaming and such, but i didn't mean anything bad by it, it was simply a statement/semi-debate, which, you have your point proven, as well.

Sadly, I've heard it time and time again, but it hasn't seem to sunk in yet.

btw, I get what your saying, Crenshinibon, but there will always be the ones that think violence is the answer.

Post #196319 - Reply to (#196313) by Identity Crisis
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Because that is the propaganda I grew up with, "Gay people are sick, and against God, they should be killed and will go to hell", you were not born in such environment so you have different views and opinions, I have been taught my whole life that gay people are sick, so I think that they are sick, so everybody around me thinks that they are sick, and so will the kids of everyone around me, and in my country it will never change, and that is why nobody gives a damn if someone abuses a gay guy, good enough for you, I just stated my opinion, no need to get all high and mighty on me because of it


btw, I get what your saying, Crenshinibon, but there will always be the ones that think violence is the answer.


Yeah, I know that, but I like to occasionally give the rational people some credit.

@Chibidoro: I'd be willing to bet money that within 2 or 3 decades the same propaganda won't be circulated. Cultures and values can change a lot in relatively short periods of time, even if it seems like they're set in stone *shrug*. Regardless, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, no one said or implied that you shouldn't be. This entire thread is basically a giant debate though, hence the questioning of it. It's just the internet, no one should be expecting anything to change.


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Im sorry if I offended you, I was just stating the opinions of my country, as Crenshinibon says, if in a few decades the situation changes and there are no more people who think like us (my country), and if these statements like mine never appear again in that same age, then the world will truly be a nice place to live for everybody, but now the situation is as it is

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Post #196395 - Reply to (#196311) by Chibidoro-sama
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Because that is the propaganda I grew up with, "Gay people are sick, and against God, they should be killed and will go to hell", you were not born in such environment so you have different views and opinions, I have been taught my whole life that gay people are sick, so I think that they are sick, so everybody around me thinks that they are sick, and so will the kids of everyone around me, and in my country it will never change, and that is why nobody gives a damn if someone abuses a gay guy, good enough for you, I just stated my opinion, no need to get all high and mighty on me because of it


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Im sorry if I offended you, I was just stating the opinions of my country, as Crenshinibon says, if in a few decades the situation changes and there are no more people who think like us (my country), and if these statements like mine never appear again in that same age, then the world will truly be a nice place to live for everybody, but now the situation is as it is


If someone tells you to throw yourself down from a bridge you do it?
You are already saying that the world will be better if you and other peoples won't think in that way, so why are you still thinking that way?

I grew up in a Catholic family, almost all my friends are Catholic, I went to Catholic schools, but growing up I started to have my own ideas and I became an atheist around 14-15 of age. You also should develop your own ideas about what it's right and what it's wrong, it's too simple and coward to just blame your environment or society if you don't have the courage to have your own ideas.

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Post #196404 - Reply to (#196311) by Chibidoro-sama
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Because that is the propaganda I grew up with, "Gay people are sick, and against God, they should be killed and will go to hell", you were not born in such environment so you have different views and opinions, I have been taught my whole life that gay people are sick, so I think that they are sick, so everybody around me thinks that they are sick, and so will the kids of everyone around me, and in my country it will never change, and that is why nobody gives a damn if someone abuses a gay guy, good enough for you, I just stated my opinion, no need to get all high and mighty on me because of it



Do you live in a Socialist country?

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Because that is the propaganda I grew up with, "Gay people are sick, and against God, they should be killed and will go to hell", you were not born in such environment so you have different views and opinions, I have been taught my whole life that gay people are sick, so I think that they are sick, so everybody around me thinks that they are sick, and so will the kids of everyone around me, and in my country it will never change, and that is why nobody gives a damn if someone abuses a gay guy, good enough for you, I just stated my opinion, no need to get all high and mighty on me because of it


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Im sorry if I offended you, I was just stating the opinions of my country, as Crenshinibon says, if in a few decades the situation changes and there are no more people who think like us (my country), and if these statements like mine never appear again in that same age, then the world will truly be a nice place to live for everybody, but now the situation is as it is


If someone tells you to throw yourself down from a bridge you do it?
You are already saying that the world will be better if you and other peoples won't think in that way, so why are you still thinking that way?

I grew up in a Catholic family, almost all my friends are Catholic, I went to Catholic schools, but growing up I started to have my own ideas and I became an atheist around 14-15 of age. You also should develop your own ideas about what it's right and what it's wrong, it's too simple and coward to just blame your environment or society if you don't have the courage to have your own ideas.


well, the explanation for it is quite easy, Im an idiot, and all around me are idiots, but I will not change, which is even more idiotic, but that is what I have chosen.
I do understand that this kind of thinking is primitive for the 21st century, but hey, Im an idiot

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Post #196559 - Reply to (#196404) by shaggievara
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Because that is the propaganda I grew up with, "Gay people are sick, and against God, they should be killed and will go to hell", you were not born in such environment so you have different views and opinions, I have been taught my whole life that gay people are sick, so I think that they are sick, so everybody around me thinks that they are sick, and so will the kids of everyone around me, and in my country it will never change, and that is why nobody gives a damn if someone abuses a gay guy, good enough for you, I just stated my opinion, no need to get all high and mighty on me because of it



Do you live in a Socialist country?


oh man do i have quoting to do...

no he lives in an ex socialist country...(i'm from the same country btw)

as chibi kun said catholic church has a lot of influence (promotion of killing gay people part is an overstatement though)...and people are conservative and raised that way, besides there's a lot of macho male thing here, and a lot of what better way to show you're manliness then insult gay people thinking (i prefer showing my manliness by having a beard and drinking large amount of beer)...

but there's always a number of idiots that have nothing better to do then spread hate (but that kinda people exist everywhere)...you just have to ignore them...so when there's a gay parade there's more police officers doing the security than people in the parade...

word gay (actually more like faggot) is an every day word used as an insult...most of the time it's got nothing to do with gay...more like 'you're such a jerk'.

also people are not all idiots (well maybe where chibi kun lives they arebigrazz)...
we're friendly, open, hospitable...for crying out loud we live of tourism...but we might overpay you.

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I'd be willing to bet money that within 2 or 3 decades the same propaganda won't be circulated. Cultures and values can change a lot in relatively short periods of time


i don't know, maybe..there's gay people even in my small town and other people know they're gay and they're pretty much left to live their own lives...i haven't heard any insults directed directly at them...(except the guy that tried to open a gay bar...that got smashed opening night by skin-heads)...

so it depends on the young people...people i've met that fit into young educated/intelligent people group are mostly in agreement that gay is a kind of a disease (they wont befriend gay people but they're gonna leave them alone cos (as somebody mentioned already) they don't affect them)...and there's those that think of gay as nothing more or less then a lifestyle or a preference.

young people from rural part..there's the no gay people where we live, those are in big towns and in the west thinking...but if there were there might be some violence, but i don't think we're the only country where that happens.

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I grew up in a Catholic family, almost all my friends are Catholic, I went to Catholic schools, but growing up I started to have my own ideas and I became an atheist around 14-15 of age. You also should develop your own ideas about what it's right and what it's wrong, it's too simple and coward to just blame your environment or society if you don't have the courage to have your own ideas.


agreed...i'm the same case...though i still go to church occasionally, but mostly just to make my old man happy.

just wanted to make some things clear... btw you wouldn't wanna be discriminated for your neko love, would you chibidoro-sama bigrazz



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Post #198303 - Reply to (#196076) by kaerfehtdeelb
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well i know i am totally
depressed for a while when
ppl bash my faith/beliefs
so i think i will let ppl do...gay or not.
i don't want them to feel wat i've felt
n i know beating and insulting them
won't change them so wat is the point


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yes we can... stupid intolerant people who cant...

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Yeah of course we can. I really dislike people who don't want to know someone because their different. I have gay friends and some of them have gotten together. Not really a big deal. eyes

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Eh, I'm open minded; I don't have any real problem with gay people. They should be aloud to do as the please and shouldn't be discriminated against.

That said, I am somewhat uncomfortable around gay men (not all gay men, just the obvious ones, where you can tell) . It's not something I can help, even though I try. I suppose it probably has something to do with me not being able to understand them at all, with the whole being attracted to males thing. Yet by the same token I fail to understand straight women (though I'm grateful for them), but I'm more than comfortable around them. Maybe I just feel threatened even if I know I shouldn't. I don't know. It's probably just how my abnormal mind works.

I have a different sort of problem around lesbians, especially when they're both hot...

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I do not have anything against gay men as long as they act normal. And by normal I mean not try to "imitate" women. Why is the word "imitate" written like that? Because women don't act like that - they don't do weird unecessary hand movements, they don't do move their hips so much and they don't do that annoying: "Hey girl!" thing. Why? Because we're not fake.

To sum it up, I have nothing against them as long as they don't try to be us(meaning women), because they are not women, and most importantly, their image of women is clearly disorted because we don't act like that at all.

Again, I'm not talking about all the gay people, just those who do act like that. And there are too many.

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I personally have homophobia, so I am slightly frightened by the trends now being set. Yet, this does not mean I do not understand others have differing opinions. I completely understand why others would think the way they do. So in answer to the question I would say I would remain indifferent to calling people gay. It has nothing to do with me, and even if it did I understand that everyone has the right to say whatever they want. It's a privilege most Americans take advantage of nowadays, but still its a natural right.


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Post #251549 - Reply to (#251467) by dora0chan
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I do not have anything against gay men as long as they act normal. And by normal I mean not try to "imitate" women. Why is the word "imitate" written like that? Because women don't act like that - they don't do weird unecessary hand movements, they don't do move their hips so much and they don't do that annoying: "Hey girl!" thing. Why? Because we're not fake.

To sum it up, I have nothing against them as long as they don't try to be us(meaning women), because they are not women, and most importantly, their image of women is clearly disorted because we don't act like that at all.

Again, I'm not talking about all the gay people, just those who do act like that. And there are too many.


I think those are just drag queens, not necessarily gay men. I have met straight drag queens before.

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I do not have anything against gay men as long as they act normal. And by normal I mean not try to "imitate" women. Why is the word "imitate" written like that? Because women don't act like that - they don't do weird unecessary hand movements, they don't do move their hips so much and they don't do that annoying: "Hey girl!" thing. Why? Because we're not fake.

To sum it up, I have nothing against them as long as they don't try to be us(meaning women), because they are not women, and most importantly, their image of women is clearly disorted because we don't act like that at all.

Again, I'm not talking about all the gay people, just those who do act like that. And there are too many.


I think those are just drag queens, not necessarily gay men. I have met straight drag queens before.



No, I didn't mean drag queens. That's something entirely different. I was referring to gay men with a tendency to act "feminine" but actually overdo it and end up looking unnatural and fake. They don't dress like women, they just "act" like them.

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