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Naruto is good, stop hating~ >.< What? You were expecting a masterpiece? You're reading the wrong manga then. xD Even children watch this. ._.

But it's still good, you know.

You say that after Shippuden began it just got worse? Well, give me some examples and strong arguments.

Well, first of all all those power ups, kyubi this form, kyubi that form, I mean its like watching DBZ all over gain with saiyan this, saiyan that, then the long wait in between
fights, then the every-anime-must have cliche that you know whose going to get victorious in every fight (maybe not know, but in the long run he will beat both Orochimaru and Akatsuki) then the lenghts to which he goes for his friend Sasuke, I mean I have good friends too bud do you think I would battle God himself for them, far from it, the gayness (naruto doesnt think of Sasuke as only a friend I assure you) the ecchiness which they add for no apparent reason in some episodes (if I wanted to watch something ecchi id watch Oruchuban ebichu, or futari ecchi which has ecchi as a subgengre) the must-have romanticism between NarutoxSakura,
the I will bring him back crap and all of that, well since I am easilly irritated I love to see some serious , somebody of the main characters die anime, but I am certain you also have good reasons for loving it, I am just stating my opinion, the animation is perfect, I will say nothing about that (one of the best I have seen) but the story and the things in it get me!!

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It was good at the start of Shippuden...but lately....no.
just...no.

too true

definitley agree to that, after the saving Gaara arc it just ended for me.

Ha ha ha, right after the saving Gaara arc i was like what a waste of my life. Shippuuden is just boring. I'm sorry but i used to be a hardcore naruto fan but lately this manga/anime is just horrible. I only read it to see if my fave character Shino does anything new but lately, he hasn't done anything ever since he fought against Kankuro. What a waste of a cool character.

Sorry, Keel.

... Wow, Chibidoro, you're really looking at it all wrong. o.O Oh well, I'm not going to waste time writing a long post just to prove my point. >.<

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Well, I think I might like it more if I was reading it in full volume format instead of this short filler chapters. There has been filler chapters before, but I didn't notice because I owned the next volume or had the next volume already downloaded.

One thing, the anime: The art has gone down hill, and has gotten so drawn out that in 5-10 years when we get to these chapters... I just know this will be 200-300 episodes for these chaptesr, with 30-50 episodes for this fight alone! As a matter of fact, it will probably be even more than that. >_<

As for your points-
Point one: I agree. Sasuke needs to learn a lesson, and it is that revenge is a double edged sword. He needs to die, or see the only person who matters to him anymore in his life die.

Point two: Even in the parts where he is supposed to not rely on the kyuubi, he does. Now though he has this magical clone of the first hokage who controls the power for him, since he is unable to do so for some reason all of the sudden. Also, he hasn't ever gotten past fighting at below genin level. It was always "Oh no! Skilled opponents who have put years worth of real effort! Shadow Clone Jutsu! Rasengan! Wow, awsome, after 50 times of repeating that he fell asleep so I could beat him. If only my clones could actually hit someone, then I wouldnt' have had to wear him out by making him kick my butt so bad." - That is always how Naruto handles fights. He never actually fights, he just keeps throwing his clones against the bad guys fists until they get tired, and give up at life thinking they will only ever see more clones.

Point three: I agree. Completely.

Point four: Yeah, I agree again. As my friend describes it, Naruto is Harry Potter where all the wizards and witches are called Ninja. They now can fly, they don't even need to leap anymore. I would actually LIKE to see martial arts more, punches and kicks. Nobody can use their weapons, if they don't hit their opponent with the thrown sword/dagger, they throw a hundred more, and if that finally fails.. they throw more. I -want- to see punches and kicks, even Rock Lee (who was my one hope) just goes into Uber-mode and punches the guy at Super "Mangaka doesn't have to draw a character this frame" speed. So I would be happy if they got rid of the techniques and actually learned martial arts. Besides that though, I agree with your fourth point. 😛

Because Kishimoto's brother stopped writing the manga for him.

Glados is a bitch. She made me kill the companion cube, the only friend I'll ever have. 😢

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You mean Seishi? That's funny, because people called him a copycat.

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You mean Seishi? That's funny, because people called him a copycat.

No, here's what happened: Kishi got all his ideas from his bro, then his bro went off to write his own manga while still helping Kishi with Naruto. Then everyone called him a copycat, so he got hella pissed and ended 666Satan abruptly. Then he stopped helping his bro with Naruto.

Glados is a bitch. She made me kill the companion cube, the only friend I'll ever have. 😢

Chibidoro-sama=Neko-freak

i dont get why people continue to make so many posts just against naruto. Why does this series and bleach get all the hate. You dont like it, dont read it. Saves all of us from seeing posts like this fill the forum and waste time.

"Let's put a smile on that face."

No, here's what happened: Kishi got all his ideas from his bro, then his bro went off to write his own manga while still helping Kishi with Naruto. Then everyone called him a copycat, so he got hella pissed and ended 666Satan abruptly. Then he stopped helping his bro with Naruto.

And so, Naruto 'went down the drain'

I understand, it's pretty logic. So to get back Seishi, Kishi aske the fans to stop calling him that, but it was too late. Or that's just my fantasy putting everything together wrongly.

This is what I think, the problem might be the medium Naruto is in, a manga, yes pictures are worth a thousand words but them boxes are only so small, things in manga will take longer than how they are seen on tv (anime). Have patients (how do you spell that?) fellow nerds, Kishimoto brought us potential and let's hope he puts it to good use. Yeah...I still like Naruto though but the movieness of the anime is really bugging me.

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well since I am easilly irritated I love to see some serious , somebody of the main characters die anime, but I am certain you also have good reasons for loving it, I am just stating my opinion, the animation is perfect, I will say nothing about that (one of the best I have seen) but the story and the things in it get me!!

lol you should watch Legend of the Galactic Heroes

anyways i agree that naruto has gone down hell bleach is also sinking. thier both in this loop thats like one side is winning chapter ends next chaapter other side starts winning by pulling some crap chapter ends and this is repeated for 50 chapters when finally the battle is over. And you know what i wonder. One Piece after about 500 chapters i dont feel an end coming. And when i try to find repetitions i dont. One piece is like the most original thing (of itself atleast) i've ever seen but to bad its kid orientated manga with all the kiddy manga cliches.

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all i have to say is all manga that get too long deteriorates, specially if they are shonen (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, HxH) wait... they are Shonen Jump titles! (surprise!)

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all i have to say is all manga that get too long deteriorates, specially if they are shonen (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, HxH) wait... they are Shonen Jump titles! (surprise!)

Too long=draggy story=more fillers=more boredom

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i dont get why people continue to make so many posts just against naruto. Why does this series and bleach get all the hate. You dont like it, dont read it. Saves all of us from seeing posts like this fill the forum and waste time.

lol whats funny is people are commenting because of the title and comment above them...when the opening comment does not rip naruto apart but only comments on the new developing flaws that the manga contains now...i was simply asking for oppinions...not for negative spitfull comments...i like naruto to i just dislike te direction it's started to head in as of late

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all i have to say is all manga that get too long deteriorates, specially if they are shonen (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, HxH) wait... they are Shonen Jump titles! (surprise!)

Too long=draggy story=more fillers=more boredom

lol this is true if your life revolves 'round reading long shounen mangas, and watching the fillers is a must-do.

@Keel op post. (I finally read it lol).

For other that point2 I don't agree. Naruto haven't really done anything much in part 2. The last thing he really overcome something was learning the rasengan and changing Tsunade's mind. But the new jutsu he learned before defeating Kakuzu had about the same impact on me. It just wasn't as original. Sasuke have had the biggest impact in part 2, but honestly, that is the impression kishi wants to give. He said so himself. He also said Kakashi will experience something "big".

point1 wtf. Do I understand you right? You don't want the story to evolve? So as long as the characters act like they do in the beginning you don't mind, but if a milestone is somewhat completed, you think it's bad? I'm just asking if I got your point.

point3 I completely disagree. I believe Kishi has managed to stray away from similar fights as far as it's possible, and respectable. You could compare every fight, and every move from every fight. Of course a lot would be similar. That's hardly the point.

Final point. (this is gonna be a long one) In the beginning, and throughout the prelims, lots of the elements you need to know to understand the basics was explained (I almost always find it stupid when someone use a move and then explain it to his opponent right away). However this points fails, 'cause it's just as much explanations now as it was before. Just not as basic. The last time something basic was explained, was 'bout the elements. This isn't out of nowhere. It's taken out from the five elements in Japanese philosophy. Lightning just replaced Void. And if you watch the fights from the beginning, the elements always stays true to it.
As for other jutsus they hardly pop out of nowhere. It's almost always tied to some Japanese mythology. The latest example is Susano'o. Susano'o is the storm deity. Tsukuyomi is the moon deity. Amaterasu is the sun deity. They are siblings as described in the kujiki. All born from Izanagi. Susano'o claimed the Kusanagi (Oro's and Sasuke's swords) from Yama-no-Orichi's (Oro's Hydra jutsu) belly, after getting it drunk with sake, and then killed it using his father's sword, the Totsuka no Tsurugi. Remember Sosano'o's sword grows from a sake bottle.
I guess you most know Japanese mythology to fully understand many things in Naruto. 😀 😎

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