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do your friggin' hw first, retard...

Ah, once again with the name calling.

And I stick with my post, this site does not provides direct links to copyright material ... it used to but that functionality was removed, Its not even the same case as Torrent Tracker sites as it provides no hyperlink or very specific instruction to copyrighted content that is the closest thing I can think to what this site provides.

That is, about in THIS site since the post I was replying said "against a website like this".

What part of "Please do not put in huge images!" did you fail to understand?

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Quote from Kittycat101

I dont understand why so many people have such a problem with downloading manga.
I cant read manga online, all the ads drive me insane.

Because many people don't have enough memmory for his pc or share just one with the family or just use their phones or don't have a good antivirus... there are plenty of reasons why people preffer online readers, so tumbs up for the scanlators that have online readers 😀 . TY...

Not at all. It's because people are ignorant and lazy, don't want to wait for a file to download, and don't know what to do with a .zip/.rar file.

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Against this site?

No, it holds no material that infringes copyright, it simply reports releases ... it would be the same as charging a newspaper with Conspiracy because they reported a Robbery.

I think QuasarX was referring to MangaFox.

Quote from Tranh Linh

do your friggin' hw first, retard...

You should read the whole post before resorting to unneeded name-calling.
Drakron said, "simply reports releases" - in other words, referring to this website, MangaUpdates.

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You are like the dense main character in a shoujo manga.

Quote from Crenshinibon

And you will murder someone one day, pika. If you're my daughter.

Quote from Drakron

Against this site?

No, it holds no material that infringes copyright, it simply reports releases ... it would be the same as charging a newspaper with Conspiracy because they reported a Robbery.

No, by "this site", I meant mangafox, as that was the topic of discussion... sorry for being unclear. ^.^'

<.<.., my bad but.i thought Drakon was talking about "this site" as mangafox too...it's weird that suddenly you guys jumped from the main topic of mangafox to mangaupdates...

http://xscansx.forummotion.com/
Home of
Love So Life
Love Junkies
GTO: shonan 14 days
Kunisaki_Izumo_no_Jijou
Higanjima
Football girl
Ibitsu
Underdog
Bee-be-beat it!
Nyotai_ka
Sense

How to fix all your problems:

Use DDOS bots, I'm sure that if you attack something illegal then it shouldn't be illegal to do it.
Make a transparent page for the reader so anyone who tries to save the picture will only be saving transparent.png
Report them to ACTA or the authorities (if you live in china then that much better...) cuz

"If you are going to boycott any NOEZ sites then I can list a few:
Mangafox
Mangahere
Animehere [ZOMG]
Otakuzone
Otakushop (I personally think this is the worst site NOEZ has come up with so far. They basically sell counterfeit merchandise made by their factories in China. I had heard from a friend of mine that the shipping was free but I haven't confirmed it since I would probably rip apart most of the people who purchase items from there. I suppose that's a nice way to reel in ignorant customers. Yay free shipping -_-)"

(taken from Omari's Sister)

Oh, and I want to add Dragon&fly scans here since if you check their reader (you can't download their releases) they are watermarked with "mangahere.com"

If it still doesn't work...watermark your stuff the right way and then release the proper version later, like Tran's group is doing. Otherwise use woxxy's fanheads watermarking, lol.

PS: if you can't handle doing all that then just quit blaming it on them like I did (a troll made me see the light). I may hurt the readers but who cares they didn't thank you anyway, right? 😀

If you do any of those and get other groups to join then I'm sure something will happen^^ After all readers will be affected and if they can't do anything for their favorite manga then they aren't worth it (even those idiots who thinks it's their right to get the release or those who think scanlation groups to be the lesser of two evils)

Meanwhile, you can have some fun.

1. Upload some yaoi hentai to Batoto.
2. Wait until the MF bot grabs it (5 minutes or less).
3. Upload the real chapter to Batoto.
4. Enjoy the show
   http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/304688-Chapter-9
   http://www.mangahere.com/manga/seishun_for_get/

Kudos to the group that did it.

Winning comment from a horrified leecher: "Whoever uploaded that, was so unhilarious it makes a clown be funny. I'm holding back so much right now, but to put it simply, the uploader can go to a place far worse than hell."

Active translations list
Completed translations list
Dropped translations

Or let there just be no more scanlations.

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Meanwhile, you can have some fun.

1. Upload some yaoi hentai to Batoto.
2. Wait until the MF bot grabs it (5 minutes or less).
3. Upload the real chapter to Batoto.
4. Enjoy the show
   http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/304688-Chapter-9
   http://www.mangahere.com/manga/seishun_for_get/

Kudos to the group that did it.

Winning comment from a horrified leecher: "Whoever uploaded that, was so unhilarious it makes a clown be funny. I'm holding back so much right now, but to put it simply, the uploader can go to a place far worse than hell."

Nice troll!!!
For those that go to that kind of sites, its simple, the one that are already registered in here, just ad the series to your "my list" insted of trolling, when a new chapter comes out, just go to the scanlators site and download it. If you don't like downloading from the mediafire links, just use IRC and get it from theirs bots, its easy, or if you don't want to download, many scanlators have an online reader. In IRC you will even find that hard to get series, thats the primary source of releases.

If you don't know the history of scanlations, I suggest you google it, you'll then find why they are so respected and you will start to see a new light. For those that have been around for many years, they already know this, for the new ones, just try to learn something before flamming the ones that at the end of the day, give you the opportunity to read something new.

Edit: Can't believe this is my first post after joining 3 years ago and more than 10 years of manga reading, lol.

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Use DDOS bots, I'm sure that if you attack something illegal then it shouldn't be illegal to do it.

There's a big difference between what should be and what is... mainly because people tend to disagree on what should be. It may be illegal to throw an egg at someone, but in most places I'd think you'd find that if someone throws an egg at you, it doesn't give you a legal right to kill that person.

I'd be very surprised if there's an exemption in whatever law(s) oppose DDoS attacks for websites that infringe on copyrighted material. With that said, if a person has something they're trying to hide, they might be less inclined to report illegal activity to the police.

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Quote from T1

Use DDOS bots, I'm sure that if you attack something illegal then it shouldn't be illegal to do it.

There's a big difference between what should be and what is... mainly because people tend to disagree on what should be. It may be illegal to throw an egg at someone, but in most places I'd think you'd find that if someone throws an egg at you, it doesn't give you a legal right to kill that person.

I'd be very surprised if there's an exemption in whatever law(s) oppose DDoS attacks for websites that infringe on copyrighted material. With that said, if a person has something they're trying to hide, they might be less inclined to report illegal activity to the police.

I'd say that it depends on if throwing an egg is that big an offense to someones values of life. People have been killed for less and it's been legal.

Oh, I'd be surprised if there were any laws for DDoS when there doesn't seem to be any working laws for illegal earning on other people's work (mangaka).

Now I feel like DDoS is the only way to choose 😀

As for working laws, realize that laws really don't do anything... they're just ideas put down on paper. In order for someone who breaks a law to get punished by a legal system, quite a number of things have to happen, generally (but not always) including an investigation and a trial. Most illegal activities go unpunished because it takes a lot of resources to go through that process, and it's much easier to just ignore the behavior. However, if someone is very clever and determined, they can generally find a way to bring their case to trial.

As for the egg example, the relevant question is who's values the laws are based on. I'm not saying there aren't parts of the world where it's legal to kill someone over an insult, but I know there are many places where it's not. Really, if you're worried about whether or not something's legal in your area, it's a good idea to read the laws yourself and talk to a lawyer.

With that said, even if something is illegal, that doesn't mean that doing it will get you in any trouble. As I said, a number of things have to happen first. So, you're free to do whatever you want, but I'd advise assessing the risks first.

this whining are intensifying to the point where we might not be able to contain it.

Quote from Kittycat101

Somebody's a mod or operator on mangafox hm?
I nearly spit out my orange juice when you said mangafox is the "best" resource around.
Their image quality is horrendous resized pieces of crap. Scanlators have better image hosters than managafox. and for that fact, batototo is like 384390248023 times better than mangafox concerning community, image quality, and support. Plus you know, they dont profit illegally off of managaka's works. So in conclusion, there is better services out there, its just a sad fact that mangafox appears as the #1 result for manga on a google search. So mangafox isnt "better" and thats why they have so many users. Mangafox is simply what happens when a site is the number one search result for lazy ass leechers. and soon enough, they wont even have that.

Apparently being an objective opinion means I'm a shill, right? 🙄

1. Scanlators having better hosters is meaningless, because none of them are centralized. People go to MangaFox because all the manga is there. Less convenience, less appeal.

2. Batoto's Community and Support are meaningless because most users are simply readers (leechers, if you want to get petty). Having better forums and having better admins does nothing if you just want to read Manga.

3. Profiting illegally, once again, has no bearing on the majority of readers. Mostly because the percentage of people that know are small, and only a percentage of the people that know even care.

4. Image quality is the only thing that is actually a valid argument, but only if the quality is bad enough to drive people away from MangaFox and actually search out the higher quality. To make things worse, so many Scanlators use terrible quality scans to begin with, so many users may not even realize there's higher quality material out there.

The biggest roadblock to you, and a ridiculous amount of other people, seems to be the assumption that your problem is "lazy ass leechers". The vast, vast majority of users have absolutely no idea that scanlators have issues with MangaFox. Let me repeat that: only a tiny percentage of people even know that MangaFox is a problem.

If you try to sabotage MF and other readers, the assumption will be that some jerkass is trying to troll people. If you intentionally damage your own releases to hurt MF, the assumption will be that it's a crappy group doing the work. If you try to DRM your works, you'll just make MF's one-click access that much more appealing.

Batoto is a decent start, but there's a massive flaw in its organization: It appeals to Scanlators, not to Readers. You can talk about community, support, paying money to the groups, blah, blah, blah, but absolutely none of that has anything to do with getting your website hits. It isn't faster, the UI isn't any better, search function is worse, navigation isn't any better. So start focusing on actually making a user-centric resource, instead of relying on altruism from the tiny portion of the user base that actually hears your complaints.

...Or, alternatively, hope that MF keeps letting DragonFly scans get priority for all the popular series.

Quote from QuasarX

As for working laws, realize that laws really don't do anything... they're just ideas put down on paper. In order for someone who breaks a law to get punished by a legal system, quite a number of things have to happen, generally (but not always) including an investigation and a trial. Most illegal activities go unpunished because it takes a lot of resources to go through that process, and it's much easier to just ignore the behavior. However, if someone is very clever and determined, they can generally find a way to bring their case to trial.

As for the egg example, the relevant question is who's values the laws are based on. I'm not saying there aren't parts of the world where it's legal to kill someone over an insult, but I know there are many places where it's not. Really, if you're worried about whether or not something's legal in your area, it's a good idea to read the laws yourself and talk to a lawyer.

With that said, even if something is illegal, that doesn't mean that doing it will get you in any trouble. As I said, a number of things have to happen first. So, you're free to do whatever you want, but I'd advise assessing the risks first.

So true but what I meant with what I said was that if you DDoS those sites then you won't get any problems because they won't complaining to the "police" since they are doing something illegal after all.

I just saw something damn funny that made me laugh like hell: "Copyrights and trademarks for the manga, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law. © 2011 DragonFlyScans.com."
(A site owned by the owner of mangafox NOEZ)

Using fair use clause of the copyright law to do what they are doing, lol, yes that's how they think. Still, I'd recommend people to not use their facebook to recommend this site or mangafox/mangahere since your personal data can be checked by the authorities when want by getting them from facebook.

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So true but what I meant with what I said was that if you DDoS those sites then you won't get any problems because they won't complaining to the "police" since they are doing something illegal after all.

You are still DDoS the server, meaning that zoneedit will not find it amusing and WILL complain to the cops.

What part of "Please do not put in huge images!" did you fail to understand?