Like it or not, MF and their ilk provide something that no one else does: a centralized, easily accessible, easily used location for translated Manga. And let's face it, most readers and users don't know, and don't care, about all the politicking happening with Scanlation, and simply use MangaFox because it's the "best" resource around.

The only way to "stop" these sites is by offering a better service. Take a look at Dynasty Scans, who have one of the best Readers I've seen. Of course, it's not just the quality...you're going to have to match quantity too, which will be a big problem if you can't get the vast majority of series hosted.

And @cmertb, as everyone says to the software industry: DRM only hurts the legitimate users, and doesn't do anything to stop the illegitimate ones. The more annoying you make things for the users that want to support you, the more likely they are to turn to the services you don't want them to.

Isn't that the purpose of trolling?


Also, about the legal issue, there was some other guy, in another thread, who said that copyright to a translation is valid only with the authorization of the copyright holder of the translated work. Not that I understand about law, but such a contradiction seems implausible.

@Cvaziz: that's why i said it's not my specialty for images and comic. What i said above applies for "sound recordings and musical works", what i've been practicing daily. For images and comic...i have to say that i'm not sure since there's no case about comic + translation into another language (oh well, i should lurk on westlaw more, who knows i would find a case similar to this?)

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Somebody's a mod or operator on mangafox hm?
I nearly spit out my orange juice when you said mangafox is the "best" resource around.
Their image quality is horrendous resized pieces of crap. Scanlators have better image hosters than managafox. and for that fact, batototo is like 384390248023 times better than mangafox concerning community, image quality, and support. Plus you know, they dont profit illegally off of managaka's works. So in conclusion, there is better services out there, its just a sad fact that mangafox appears as the #1 result for manga on a google search. So mangafox isnt "better" and thats why they have so many users. Mangafox is simply what happens when a site is the number one search result for lazy ass leechers. and soon enough, they wont even have that.

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Mwahaha.

Batoto pageviews: 3 month 0.000382 +1200%
Mangafox pageviews: 3 month 0.04812 -10.86%

You see a chunk taken out, and who took it out? Do you think this trend will stop?

What you fail to understand is that you are in this for $$$ (forgive me, but I assume you're from NOEZ, because what you write and the way you write it is too ridiculous even for a leecher), and scanlators are not. Therefore, scanlators can mess around with releases any way they please, and lose nothing. You will lose revenue. Not us. And the stupid leechers who still go to your site to read manga will lose. But it's their problem, not ours.


You're confusing scanlation with a business. Your analogy is false on every level and, consequently, your prediction is invalid.

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I'm in it for the money? No. I don't work for NOEZ, so I won't lose anything. And you're still not stopping them from hosting manga.

I was being charitable to your intelligence when I assumed you were from NOEZ. If not, T_T

But enough humoring bratty leechers for today.

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As much as it hurts me to say this but what wolfinthesheep is saying is correct. Even though this website regularly updates the new chapters and new manga that specific scanlation teams produces. The fact that different manga are being scanlated by various scanlation teams meant that the different manga that I currently follows are scattered to different scanlation sites. Being a lazy bastard that I am, I just want to go to one website where the manga that I like to read are gathered. Also, some of the manga that I read, the scanlation team who used to work on that specific manga has already been inactive and the only way to reread those manga is by using mangafox, mangareader etc.

Do not get me wrong, I hate how some of these website treat the scanlation teams because they are basically saying that because what the scanlation teams are doing is illegal that they have no right to preach what they can and cannot do with what they produce.

Wait, I'm sorry to ask this question because I've only been following this event loosely. How is it that MF is making a profit off of this, as far as I know they don't charge reader's and neither do they charge to upload the next chapter to a series? Not to mention as far as I can tell they haven't really stepped on anyones toes to much that i have seen.

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@whaleseeker: They profit through ads.

Ah, thanks for that, but is it really a bad thing to profit that way, most sites do it anyway.


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Yes, because the only reason they profit is because they steal the work other people invested their time and money into. If they had to pay for it, they wouldn't be profitable. How would you feel if someone treated your labor of love like that?

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The goal is to turn a profit but stealing from pirates to cash in on leacher laziness is not the most ethical way of turning a profit. Scanlators fill a void in the market: the latest chapter of Naruto (or whatever manga) is unavailable outside of Japan. Fans could not pay if they wanted. Then there are series that are not licensed and may never be. Scanlations fill the void, as scanlators are fans and hobbyists first scanlations have always been free, without intention of turning a profit. But it takes work to track releases site by site, and is not the easiest way to find new series. It was only a matter of time before some enterprising individuals would realize that fans would flock to sites that aggregated all of the mangas onto a single site and allowed them to read online, without downloading. Predictably these online readers became the most popular manga sites driving ad revenue into stratum that scanlators would never have dreamed of or actually desired. The untold riches attracted less and less savory individuals were attracted to the manga game. They quickly realized that by swiping scanlations without permission they could turn a profit without doing any work, almost no overhead, and an unlimited supply of product. That is why the community resents crooks like Mangafox, they make a lot of money off fans without doing any actual work - aside from site upkeep which can be done by volunteers.

Before any responds that both scanlators are also crooks and have no moral ground to complain try and remember last summer when the publisher coalition threatened to shut down websites. Not a single scanlator was targeted. The sole target of publisher ire was aggregation sites.

Before anyone responds that the manga industry is losing money remember that scanlations do not effect Japan, the primary market for manga. It should also be pointed out that manga receive little to no promotion, advertisement, or marketing push internationally (at least in the States, anyway). One of the best ways to fail to grow a hot, new product is to fail to promote it.

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Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works

Article 2
(3) Translations, adaptations, arrangements of music and other alterations of a literary or artistic work shall be protected as original works without prejudice to the copyright in the original work.

However ...

Article 8
Right of Translation

Authors of literary and artistic works protected by this Convention shall enjoy the exclusive right of making and of authorizing the translation of their works throughout the term of protection of their rights in the original works.

That means a translation enjoys the same protection that the original work BUT it requires to been authorized in the first place, this is to protect the original author rights to his works as well as the translator rights to his (translation) work.


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That, is sometimes true when Batato doesn't have it.

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