Why are all these great bands submitting to commercialism D:
Example:
KISS
Metallica
AC/DC
The Rolling Stones
Pink floyd
(Jimi hendrix he's dead so I can't say anything I would say the beatles but lennon died and so did george so the rest is up to paul and ringo and I think yoko)
If I left any out tell me? but these are the most bands I've seen submit to commercialism like selling their bands out to friggin wallmart and old navy (Don't get me wrong I love those two stores but c'mon?) just stuff like that am I just retarted or am I kind of right?

maybe pressure of music industry
they have to sell, sell and sell their music and so the music must be for a huge audience. I've heard that they sometimes have horrible contracts. They get money from the industy and have to get a huge number of sold CDs (or whatever) When they've accomplished that they have just paid their debts to the industry.

As I can see your examples are all on major labels. It's only four labels, but they control about 80% or more of the market. If you want to be known you have to cling to a major. Maybe that's a point, they have to make a living out of their music...

Hope I got your question right...

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Well, in these days music is a business. You sell CDs, concert tickets, some other things. In the beginning, musicians can write song just because of their enthusiasm, but later, as they become more and more popular and well-known, it becomes very hard, or even impossible to stay away from money completely. It's the price of fame, I guess. Also, we don't know what the situation looks like from the musicians' point of view. Maybe they had no other choice?

I can't say I like the way good bands become more commercial, but I can't help it. And my personal philosophy is: "If you can't help it, don't worry about it too much". So I accepted it.

@BurningFish- I get what your saying cause most of them a pressured to appeal to people but still
1. Their record companies are really big most likely
2. Bands like that always have die hard fans they have stayed around for 10-20 years at the least
You got me there with the contracts though lol

@Hanae- It is a business but still you can't please all your fans even though you should and they are really pressured to do that but still and I guess for money the get sp greedy :I
That's some good philosophy but still like...I don't want to accept it you know? But I'm still going to support them

You got a point with that, but it's still sad...

@KiNKAY TiME!
mmh, they could go to an Independent label (=smaller label), but probably most musicians don't want that. I mean not many bands who are with a IL are that well-known. Also making advertisement is expensive and the bigger labels can do it easily, because they have celebrities like Lady Gaga or whoever (its only 5% of their artists), who compensate for bands that are not so popular (those are the 95%). Still as Hanae said it's a business and the industry will always calculate if many people will like the music, before they make a contract.

I believe those hard fans do like the music. If the band changed its style, they wouldn't like that. I'm not sure, but if I was the fan of a band, which got more and more commercional, I'd eventually turn away from them. In the end I like a band because of their music and if I get the feeling that it's only for money, I couldn't stand the music anymore... (well, if I liked the band very much i'd maybe wait if they get better again, but I'm a pessimistic realist so... )

And for being greedy: I've heard about a band (it's Incubus), who sold actually 7million CDs and their Label told them that they still would have debts of about 250.000$, so don't think that all musicians are so rich...

(my information is from a book of 2003 so I don't know what has changed by now, just saying...)


Huh, now I've written that much only to wonder whether with being commercional, you mean their music or their style or something else? I answered regarding their music...

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D: I get what your saying (I am to D: ) (poor inccubus D I don't think they are super rich but most of them are greedy in the end kind of like Gene simmons (Spelt it wrong I think XD I think he's greedy)

I mean their music and their style (Not as in clothes but as in their way of music and stuff)

people use the term sell out way too much without actually thinking it through. Selling out suggests that you compromise your beliefs just to make money.....did any of those bands ever say that they would never want to make a lot of money or have their cd's etc. sold at walmart? No like any artist you want your music to reach as many ears as possible and if you can do that while making a good living and providing for your family then I say all power to them.

I didn't use the term sell out? I used the term commercialism it really is commercialism if you look at it I get what you are saying though they are making a living but still I think it's retarted because they are submitting themselves to "Them Man" Kind of XD (The man as in the industry crap like that :3 )

The overall tastes in things has changed, so they have to change in order to stay current. Sadly, most popular things do that by doing the littlest effort possible in order to make the most money...

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D: That has narrowed it down and answered my question : ) Thanks

If music is an "art", I don't think it should be used the way it is. I believe if you consider your self a musician, you shouldn't be selling your work for the hopes of getting wealthy as you'd be driven by greed instead of "passion" you should have when making art. I have more respect for the buskers out in the streets entertaining the people rather than the millions-of-copies selling bands. Passion gives better results than greed.

The only reason you get to hear them is because of commercialism.

woha you said it exactly how I feel... can't add anything, probably just that it's too idealistic for this world, unfortunately...

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"but these are the most bands I've seen submit to commercialism like selling their bands out to friggin wallmart "

Ok you didnt use the exact phrase sell out but its essentially the same thing

What? Who cares if a band advertises for Wal-Mart or whatever? Their music is still the same and they're making a quick buck on the side. 99% (at least) of the people complaining about bands "selling out" would do the same thing if given the opportunity

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