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Here's my initial reaction after reading the chapter.

Danzo is not Madara, he's Obito who is a separate entity from Madara/Tobi. This could actually make sense with his right eye and arm crushed he would need them fixed. But what about Kekashi taking his left eye, you say. Well, Kekashi obviously had the sharingan eye put in to replace his old one, whose to say someone, Orochimaru didn't find Obito and give him a new eye and idnetity and place him back in Kohonomaru to spy for him. This would somewhat explain his anger towards the Uchiha family for putting strenght first, Obito was a pretty weak sharingan user IIRC, and thus he used Itachi to exact his revenge. WE also don't know exactly how old Danzo is, he could've aged prematurely or him looking older could be from healing techniques that were used on him. Anyway, that's my theory.

Oh and I think Chojiro is closely related to Kisame, a kid brother maybe. They both have the shark teeth thing going and look similar...to me at least.

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WE also don't know exactly how old Danzo is, he could've aged prematurely or him looking older could be from healing techniques that were used on him. Anyway, that's my theory.

Only problem is that we saw Danzo in Pain's flashback. Obito was probably not that old back then.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
Plus Danzo was said to have competed with 3rd Hokage, as a rival or something. Way before Kakashi was born. Call me stubborn but I still think Madara is a body snatcher in Obito's corpse.

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Naruto's stupid. People don't feel better even after they've had revenge. They want the guilty party to suffer more, if possible, then they have. There is no possible way that they could vent their frustration just by beating someone up.

You think he would have realized that by now. Pain was trying to tell him that you couldn't solve it by talking... right until Naruto solved it by talking.
But even then he can't possibly be dumb enough to think, as a ninja, he can talk himself out of every confrontation, right? Right !?!

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Dude i wonder what Kishimoto's grand solution for everlasting peace is going to be? Because Naruto is going to be beat up a lot until that hbappens and you can't make the main character of a manga look that pathetic. It's unseemly.

Oooohhh, I can't wait! I just wish I could laugh right in his face after the chapter that solves all the problems comes out. He should quit being a mangaka and go be a missionary somewhere.
World Peace eh? Even in a manga with superpowers that is still just way too unrealistic! laugh Not to mention, not very entertaining... Are the ninja all going to change their profession to carnies or something? I think in one of the movies Kakashi was dressed as a clown performing water jutsu for an audience. So maybe not very far fetched.

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really dissappointed at Naruto...his such a B@@@@

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WE also don't know exactly how old Danzo is, he could've aged prematurely or him looking older could be from healing techniques that were used on him. Anyway, that's my theory.

Only problem is that we saw Danzo in Pain's flashback. Obito was probably not that old back then.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/13/
Plus Danzo was said to have competed with 3rd Hokage, as a rival or something. Way before Kakashi was born. Call me stubborn but I still think Madara is a body snatcher in Obito's corpse.

True, but there's also nothing saying Danzo has always been the same person. With all the freaky experiments the Orochimaru did there's no telling what he could've pulled off...maybe he caused the "accident" that made Danzo lose his right arm and eye and pulled the switch then. Yes, Danzo was in Pain's flaskback, but there's really is no telling exactly where that is in the time-line relative to Obito's demise and Orochimaru's exile. Also, now that I think about it this could also explain Danzo wanting Anko dead. Perhaps she knows the truth about the matter...like I said it's a theory, not a definite thing, and it does have a few things that point toward it being possible...at least as many, if not more, as Madara being Obito.

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upon, or shortly after his exile, madara implanted danzo into konoha. i agree that the madara who survived the fight with the first had some of his powers sealed in some way and that is why he is interested in orochimaru. I doubt that orochimaru knew that madara was danzo though.

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We can... try to find a way out of this mess. And still the mangaka can do something WAY far from what we think...Cuz that's how he handles hit plot... lotx of stuff can overlap bigrazz and we may think we are right then he proves us all wrong. biggrin . Lets wait and see, to me madara's actual body have nothing to do with orochimaru 'cause orochimaru's didnt never talked about madara when he was looking for the uchiha's host. Then saying danzo's obito is a Big bet whose only fact is the arm and eye he allready told us have something to do with orochimaru and not with the fight where Crapkashi and obito were owned and poor 4th saved crapkashi's butt, theres simply no relation between those facts to say danzo is obito's. To me its more clear to say madara may be using obito's as a host of his own immortalily technique, but then... he can use any other uchiha for that and then bigrazz that may be his link with danzo's and his plan to wipe the uchihas from the earth... heck maybe danzo is not such a bad guy after all and naruto will clean his hearth with one of those speeches. BTW... remember Tobi's(madara) allready said he have plans with Gaysuke instead of pain's skill to "revive". bigrazz maybe he like orochimaru wants sasuke's butt and thats why poor tachi wanted to save him to bad biggrin

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SPOILERS!!!

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"Huu, Torune, stay behind. Terai, I'm leaving Kabuto to you. Go."

3 Root members: "Yes, sir."
One leaves to go after Kabuto (Terai).

Danzo: "Well then... I'll leave here for the Kage Summit.
The summit is exclusive except for two picked men.
I am thinking of one or two from Root. I'll leave it to you two. Masks are forbidden. Take them off."


The two Root members take off their masks.
One, who's name is Huu, resembles Pein's Petra Realm body.
One, who's name is Torune, wears a cloth open only at the eyes.
Both are wearing shinobi garb.

Huu (the Petra-looking one): "To what level should we be armed for escort..."
Danzo: "I don't worry about such things. Huu, I'll leave it to you."
Huu (Petra): "Yes, sir."
Danzo: "Torune, you keep an eye out for subordinates. Sai is acting as if he might betray Root, so be cautious."
Torune: "Yes, sir."
Danzo: "Don't let the Kyuubi leave the village. Be thorough about it."

Turn - Naruto
Karui: "Haa, haa."
Fatigue from hitting.
Naruto's face is beaten and bruised, yet he he still stands up.
Sai is still watching.
Omoi: "..."
Karui: "I said it before! No matter what we do, our feelings will never go away. I'll continue forever until you talk about Sasuke."
Karui raises her hand(s) over her head: "Uaaa!!"
Sai appears in front of Naruto and stops Karui's fist.
Naruto, Karui and Omoi: !! !!? ...
Karui: "Don't get in the way! It's just what this guy was asking for."
Sai strains against her clenched fists.
Naruto: "...Sai... You, fall back."

Sai, with a little perturbed look: "Naruto... It's not necessary for you to be beaten up for someone like Sasuke's sake."
Naruto: "Shu'up, it's my way of doing it."
Sai reminisces and remembers Naruto's words:
(A long time ago, I hated everything about Sasuke... But, the time we were together was really a lot of fun. Because Sasuke is my friend. Because I was finally able to create a bond..."
Sai: "Sasuke... Wouldn't he just hurt you (Naruto)? ...If it were me."
Karui: "If you're going to get in the way, then I'll give you some too - here!"
She raises her fist and Omoi stops her.
Omoi: "That's enough, Karui! We won't get anywhere by knocking these guys around. You of all people should understand! He promised us to help rescue Killer B."
Karui: "What's that?! Don't you doubt whether this promise is really true like always? You're always careful yet this isn't like you!"
Naruto sits down. Sai: "Naruto..."
Omoi looks in his direction.
Omoi: "You come this far and don't sell out your friends... Even an enemy. I like a guy like this - guys that don't thoughtlessly say things."

Omoi: "No matter how much you hit him, this guy won't sell out Sasuke. He's the type that doesn't bend what he says."

Samui: "Omoi, Karui, what kind of things did you get from your information gathering?"
Omoi: "Ah! Samui-taichou [means "commander", but sounds out of place in Naruto]
Karui: !
Samui: "I take it there weren't any problems or anything."
Karui: "..."
Omoi: "More importantly, we learned that Killer B may still be alive! Let's go save him! First, let's find "Akatsuki"'s hideout and surround it!"
Samui: "And then what would we do? Against those that caught Killer B, only us... Besides, we don't know how many hideouts "Akatsuki" has that we would have to reduce to rubble...
Firstly, lets analyze the information we collected - that'll make it much faster! I don't want to go repeating the same mistake like we did with Yugito.
We'll take the information to Raikage and hand it to him personally! Because we have too much information."
Naruto: "M... Me too... Take me with you... Please...
I'll... Work with you and help be a pillar of strength for you all..."

Sai: "Naruto!"
Naruto: "Besides, the Raikage... I have an idea I want to discuss..."
Karui: "The Raikgae?! Don't mess with us, bastard!"
Sai stops Karui. [perhaps she tried to hit him again]

Samui, while looking at Naruto: (This child is Naruto... The one everyone in Konoha is talking about, Uzumaki Naruto...)
Samui remembers a conversation of Konoha citizens.
Citizen 1: "Is it possible that Naruto has come this far..."
Citizen 2: "He's a hero. He's expected to become Hokage (someday)!"

Samui: "I can't do something like take someone without a clear background to see the Raikage when I'm short of hands to guard you at present while on the move."
Naruto: "..."
Samui: "Well, Karui, Omoi, we're going! We've got permission to look at information on Sasuke and "Akatsuki". Transcribing will take time - I'll need your help as well."
Omoi, Karui and Samui leave the place.

Naruto: "Sai..."
Sai: "What?"
Naruto: "Where Kakashi-sensei and Yamato-taichou are... Take me... Please..."

Kakashi and Yamato's tent. [the Japanese says "camp sheet room"... gotta love the Japanese...]
Kakashi and Yamato are watching over.
Sai: "Would it be better if Sakura-san took care of him..."
Naruto, wrapped in bandages: "If she saw me in this condition, things would get complicated again. Besides, the injuries are healing fast so it's okay."

Naruto: "Sai... Sorry about earlier..."
Sai smiles: "Nah..."

Kakashi: "That was definitely some beating you took."
Naruto: "Heheh..."

Kakashi reminisces about his conversation with Sai.
Kakashi: "Really... Naruto did something like that..."
Sai: "Kakashi-sensei?"
Kakashi: "Hm?"
Sai: "This bond Naruto and Saukra have tormenting them between Sasuke - is it really that important of a thing? Why do those two go so far, even though they are hurt..."
Kakashi: "Sai... You're supposed to keep an eye out on Naruto, right?"
Sai: "...Tha... That's...!!"
Kakashi: "It's okay... I know... Stepping in and helping Naruto wasn't something you did to keep an eye on him - you, too, are gradually noticing, I expect... Sai."

Yamato and Kakashi are watching Naruto and Sai.
Sai is tending to Naruto's injuries.
Naruto: "Ow, ow, ow, ow"
Sai: "S... Sorry..."
Kakashi: "Just for a bit, we need to rest or else..."

Naruto: "Let me meet the Raikage!!"

Kakashi and Yamato: !?
Kakashi: "When you meet, what will you do?"
Yamato: "The Five Kage Summit is coming up! It's decided that even the isolated villages will refrain from letting anyone leave or sending out missions!"
Naruto: "I need to persuade them to pardon Sasuke!"
Yamato: "Now you don't even have your seal necklace! You, people's pillar of strength, can't expect to go out of the village!
And besides that, you transformed to the Kyubi as far as the eighth tail! You're lucky the seal restrictions activated and checked the Kyubi, but what will happen next time?!
And, I've been assigned to reconstruct the village - I can't always be with you!"
Naruto: "I met the Fourth (Hokage)."

Sai, Kakashi and Yamato: !!? ?
Naruto: "The one who stopped the Kyubi for me before was the Fourth."
Yamato: "Wha... What are you saying? The Fourth is already..."
Kakashi: "The Shikihuujin* is still a sealing style with many mysteries. In the technique's formula, the self's soul energy was locked up in it."
Naruto: "...When that happened, the Fourth told me something - The Kyubi attack of 16 years ago was by that "Akatsuki" guy with the mask. What more, he was so strong that the even the Fourth couldn't best him!"
Tobi's face floats to the surface of Kakashi's mind.
Naruto: "The Fourth said it was that guy pulling the strings!
Pain was being used by that guy.
Sasuke entering "Akatsuki" - even Sasuke is only being used by that guy!"
Kakashi: "It's as Jiraya feared - the incident of 16 years ago... So it was his work. He had the Sharingan. He had bitterness for the village and fell away from it. The Uchiha who's necromancy** could do that with the Kyubi is someone like Madara.

Yamato: "When I hear Madara... no matter what, because isn't it strange... that he's living..."

Naruto remembers what the Kyubi said.
Kyubi: "The power of those eyes - a Chakura even more sinister than mine... Just like the former Uchiha Madara's..."

Naruto: "Who's this Madara?"
Kakashi: "He fought with the First Hokage.
He died a noble death and was the original leader of Konoha's Uchiha clan.
A man.
This information needs to be told to the higher ups. Sai!"
Sai: "Yes..."
Kakashi: "Contact the second in command of the Hokage."
Sai: "Ah... Yes."
Kakashi: "Naruto! What did the Fourth tell you?"
Naruto: "Huh?"
Kakashi remembers his own father: "A father would have a lot he would want to say to his son."

Naruto: !!
Naruto smiles.
Naruto grabs the covers in his hands [he's in bed, remember].
Laughing: "He believes in me--... He told me!!"
Kakashi, doing a GJ pose [? - "good job", i.e., thumbs up?]: "Alright!"
Kakashi: "You're to go to where the Raikage is! Well, Yamato and I will be Naruto's escort!"
Yamato: "Eh-----!!"

Turn changes
Shinobi from somewhere are following Danzo.

Torune: "Danzo"
Danzo: "Umhm"

Danzo: "It's been a while since real combat... It's a perfect chance for me to wake up my dulled body..."

The unknown shinobi attack Danzo.

Danzo takes the bandage from his right eye: "(Torune, Huu), don't do anything - I'll do it."

The right eye is Sharingan.


Is it possible Danzo has Sharingan...!!


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I'm telling you guys Danzo is Obito...

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I'm telling you guys Danzo is Obito...

I don't think that's likely. He looks really old, and Obito's supposed to be the same age as Kakashi. He also competed together with the Third for Hokage title, so how can he be someone who wasn't even born yet? : P

Well, since he's Hokage, he has to be strong. Maybe he transplanted Obito's remaining eye in himself? He send out some ROOT members to find his corpse? That wouldn't surprise me.

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I'm telling you guys Danzo is Obito...

I don't think it's truly Obito as Doc said. It might be Danzou in Obito's body like what Orochimaru used to do.

Plus, I find it funny how Sai's acting towards Naruto is exactly how Naruto acted towards Sasuke. Plus, the way Naruto goes out of his way to protect Sasuke makes me think that Naruto's gonna have a shounen-ai ending...

Also, Kakashi mentioned Madara using necromancy on the Kyuubi. Does that mean that Madara can revive the dead as well or is it a mistranslation?

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I went back to look and Danzo's eye does look similar to Tobi's: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/17/

However, a couple of chapters later he looks completely different: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/397/01/

So, either Tobi can control a couple (or more) bodies similar to Pein, or the shadow simply makes the eyes look similar. If this is the case, then I am going with Dr. Love's hypothesis that Danzo took Obito's eye (may be what Orochimaru did for him).

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That spoiler post is to long to read.

Anyone care to sum it up?

And, I really doubt the images are real, since they don't have those fancy nails in the images.

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Is it possible Kishi is heading this way?

Madara, with is Sharingan, can actually control other humans. So perhaps Danzo and the Mizukage aren't exactly Madara but are under his direct control as he's somehow created a Sharingan link with them.

I don't want this to be as simple as "Madara is the Hokage/Mizukage/Deus Ex Machina of all bad guys"

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Not quite sure why everyone wants Obito back so badly that they are even aging him 50 years, and giving him back the side that was crushed under a mountain.

Also, does it look like, in Dr.L's shots that Danzo's sharingan is almost in his forehead? That seems kind of freaky. I also really wish we could just find out who Madara is, you know besides the obvious? so that we could end the debate on whether or not he is a dead little kid.

Anyways, I am going to say that Danzo is Madara, and that by using his chakra with Pein's animated bodies, he is controlling a few corpses.. but that is just so we could have all the bad guys set into one person. I figure if we get down to one villian sooner, the series will end sooner.

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