ive heard people say that they are the weakest of the shichibukai, I got to disagree luffy only beat crocodile because he knew his weakness. as we have seen he was able to fight head on with donflamingo and he was willing to take on white beard I believe luffy just got lucky in beating him. during the time skip do you think hes grown stronger then what he was 2 years ago.

now geck moria he seems at the moment the weakest of them but we have to look at it hes old, out of shape, and rusty. In the past moria was confident enough to take on a warlord so that tells me his past strength was alot greater then what it currently is. do u think that while hes hiding he gonna go on a diet and com back looking like his former self when he was at gold rogers execution or is his story over with.

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Luffy didn't get lucky when he beat crocodile, logia users are usually too overconfident for their own good. Luffy found out crocodile's weakness and exploited it, that's what you do in a fight since there are no rules when you're fighting for your life.

Crocodile and Moria both underestimated Luffy because they both thought he was just an ordinary newbie in the pirate world. Both of them are afraid of the "New World" and stayed away from it since their previous ventures there. Crocodile should have gotten stronger in the 2 years just like everyone else but even if he fights Luffy again Luffy still has the upper hand with haki (no need for water).

Moria was just too comfortable with Thriller Bark, and he's best only when he's fully prepared. If he's coming back it'll be when he's ready with his shadow army considering there aren't that many people who knows about their weakness to salt.
These guys weren't weak for the most part, it's just they've never had to go up against a crazy rubber person like Luffy before.

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I agree with you about saying that Crocodile isn't one of the weakest. IIRC, Luffy learned about his weakness because of a fluke/accident happening, and Crocodile would've succeeded in his plans had that not happened.

As for Moria, he is definitely the weakest. During his fight with Luffy, you could tell that he was more mental than physical, seeing how his style geared towards defense and counter-attacks. As for what's he's going to do in the future, I think he was killed during that post-war arc by Doflamingo and those Pacifistas. There's no way someone like Doflamingo would let someone as weak as Moria live. But on the off-chance that he did let him live, then I think Moria's just gonna quietly retire from pirating.

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No doubt.
Crocodile is one of the strongest users of Logia (he can counteract his own weakness) and Moria has one of the most versatile devil fruits so far (I cant even remember all of its attributes). But they are probably some of the weaker Shichibukai. Look at the rest -
Kuma: one of the strongest characters out there. I think he has power to rival an admiral

no idea how he got so wrecked though .
Mihawk: world's strongest swordsman and my personal theory ! former yonkou. I say Shanks kicked his ass a while back and took his position

Hancock: I dont think I need to explain.
Jinbei: power level = Ace.
Doflamingo: mystery. Probably the strongest Shichibukai but who knows.
Blackbeard: dont count. Super strong anyway.

i agree they are all strong but moria seems to have been very strong in the past , look at his skinny pic and you can tell he looks like a more bad ass version of kidd. He grew weak with age and getting fat, not to mention looking like a clown but in the 2 year skip does anyone think he used that time to train himself to be more like what he used to be.

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i agree they are all strong but moria seems to have been very strong in the past , look at his skinny pic and you can tell he looks like a more bad ass version of kidd. He grew weak with age and getting fat, not to mention looking like a clown but in the 2 year skip does anyone think he used that time to train himself to be more like what he used to be.

Not really, because I still think that Doflamingo and the Pacifistas killed him when they were in that alley before the time skip.

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i agree they are all strong but moria seems to have been very strong in the past , look at his skinny pic and you can tell he looks like a more bad ass version of kidd. He grew weak with age and getting fat, not to mention looking like a clown but in the 2 year skip does anyone think he used that time to train himself to be more like what he used to be.

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He looks more or less the same.... You are talking about the image in the Strong World chapter, right?

I'll agree that Crocodile, despite his low bounty and that Luffy beat him before even developing his 2nd and 3rd Gears, can still be considered pretty damn powerful. His fruit abilities can be pretty devastating, considering that he beat Luffy twice already. Even if Luffy has Haki equipped, he'll be able to hit Crocodile, but if Crocodile can manage to get a hand on Luffy, Luffy's as good as dead without a huge backup water reserve. And as Haki users know how to deal with Logia wielders, I'm pretty sure the reverse is also true and that Logia users of Crocodile's caliber know how to deal with Haki users (look how Aokiji literally dismantled Diamone Jose for evidence of that).

As for Moria, yeah it's pretty evident that he seems to be the weakest of the pre-timeskip shichibukai. But honestly, like robbit said, his fruit is so damn versatile that he'd be formidable against any opponent.

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Did anyone mention that fact that if you're in sunlight and Moria removes your shadow, you fade away?
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Can that be applied in a battle situation?

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i agree they are all strong but moria seems to have been very strong in the past , look at his skinny pic and you can tell he looks like a more bad ass version of kidd. He grew weak with age and getting fat, not to mention looking like a clown but in the 2 year skip does anyone think he used that time to train himself to be more like what he used to be.

Not really, because I still think that Doflamingo and the Pacifistas killed him when they were in that alley before the time skip.

No, I think they were alluding to the fact that he's still alive. Well, Donflamingo himself said that he didn't kill Moria, that he escaped before he could finish him off. And Hawkeye told Perona that he doubts he's actually dead.

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Did anyone mention that fact that if you're in sunlight and Moria removes your shadow, you fade away?
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Can that be applied in a battle situation?

Eh, it seems tough to be able to pull that off in the middle of a serious fight.

Anyway, at first I thought Crocodile was one of the weaker Shichibukai. He still might be when compared to the other Shichibukai, but that's only because the others look super strong. There's no doubt that Crocodile is one of the stronger Logia users in the One Piece world. However, I don't agree that Luffy only beat him by luck. I'll call one thing lucky, and that's when Luffy was dried up and a water bubble fell on him. Still, Luffy was at a pretty big disadvantage at the time. He hand't developed Gear 2nd or 3rd, he had no Haki, and that was his first true fight against someone from the Grand Line. You could argue Arlong, but I'm not convinced Arlong matches up with anyone Luffy has faced in the Grand Line. Luffy had to learn on the fly, and he did pretty well for himself.

Gecko Moria, eh, I think he's weak. I'm sure he was something great in the past, but he got lazy. He took on a "make a strong army and let them do all the fighting" mentality, and it severely weakened his fighting ability (judging off of his fight with Jinbei). Maybe after his near death experience at Marineford, he'll finally get back to old ways. It'll be interesting to see what he's really made of because right now, he's a lame baddy, in my eyes.