im not being rude like i said b4 in my 1st post lol im not biased or gay or anything its these posts i see everywhere all over internet thatsay sasugay...hate sasuke...

im like stfu already lolll

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sigh You're obviously a biased Sasuke fanboy/fangirl. Just look at yourself talking. Yes, Sasuke doesn't deserve the hate he gets (I mean, why hate a manga character?) but he doesn't deserve the praise you give him either. He has his good and bad points.

And helloooooo~, did you forget about KAKASHI?! He probably has the most similar past to him (lost his father, Yondaime, Obito, Rin), and yet he hasn't strayed off.

In my opinion, hate and anger has become such an integral part of Sasuke's life that he can't live without it anymore. Even if he himself thought that his revenge quest was stupid, he's too stubborn and prideful to admit that and return to Konoha.

Sure, I like the guy, but don't go worshipping him either.

I completely agree wid that is why im tellin these ppl not to do the opposite of worship i dunno wat word to use and the do it so much lol...

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(not being rude here 🙂
But u wudve done the same man it makes sense

Do you realize how WEAK Sasuke would have been if he didint leave Konoha?

Well to say that I would have done the same would be a stretch since I'm the type to give up half way through. Call it cowardice but things wouldn't be as interesting with me in Sasuke's shoes.

As for Sasuke being weak, I hardly think that would've been the issue. Throughout the story, Sasuke has always been one of the strongest if not THE strongest in his niche of friends (who also appear to be the most talented in the village for some reason). From the start of the story, he went from a stuck up jerk who couldn't even see Rock Lee, to a person who literally got stronger from his defeats. The only reason he came across as getting weaker was cause Sasuke realized that Naruto was also making large steps in improvement. When Sasuke saw that Naruto was about to catch up to him, he made the drastic decision to move over to Orochimaru's hideout. As for him gettin weaker in the village, look at Sakura, she stayed and went from worthless to Akatsuki-slayer in the time jump.

Lol I said b4 in my posts if u have read the manga
Sasuke says it himself He dosent care about that
It was after Zetsu said" Naruto is probably stronger than you now Sasuke." then Sasuke himself said he dosent care about that and hes only after Danzou
i think it was in the latest manga but yea

im pretty sure this has nothing to do with jealousy; pretty weak reason to hate sasuke lol

ammm

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The only stupid thing he said in the manga so far is that he was going to destroy the whole leaf
thats stupid authors fault rite there, he only wants to kill elders and DAnzou

Wait...so you're saying that Kishimoto doesn't even know his own story? That you, some random fan, knows better than the author himself?
Amazing... 😲

To be honest, I liked Sasuke at the beginning, but his overly emo and naive character made me dislike him. 😔

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Wrong im not saying I know better than the author

Infact I respect him for creating such a great story

I was just confused that why he would make sasuke say that he would go kill the whole village dosent make sense
In my opinion I believe he is only after the village elders and Danzou who made his brother kill the clan

So you see, Sasuke isn’t particularly meaning to be so hateable, he’s just living with a one-track mind. At the end of that track is one thing: Him killing Itachi and the revival of the Uchiha clan. He has no room for friends or distractions, all he wants is to get stronger (which I may add is Naruto’s goal as well.), and let’s face it people, the series wouldn’t be complete without him. He is the main antagonist after all, and if a story only had protagonists, we’d be in for one dull ride.

ammm

One piece seems to do pretty well for not having any main protagonist, besides a variation of them. Despite that, it still one of the most poular series after more than ten years.

Sarcasm just doesn't work over the internet.

silent killer i know this is off topic but can u tell me how to upload a picture like u have urs under ur name?
please 😀

ammm

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I believe he is only after the village elders and Danzou who made his brother kill the clan

What Sasugay has said is already set in stone. There' are no hidden meanings, and I doubt any twists to it. He wants to destroy the village and unfortunately, he got beaten to it.

This thread is turning into a campaign to justify an idiotic emo character...

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Lol I said b4 in my posts if u have read the manga
Sasuke says it himself He dosent care about that
It was after Zetsu said" Naruto is probably stronger than you now Sasuke." then Sasuke himself said he dosent care about that and hes only after Danzou
i think it was in the latest manga but yea

im pretty sure this has nothing to do with jealousy; pretty weak reason to hate sasuke lol

Ugh alright this is going nowhere but I'll make one more post.

When I brought up the idea that Naruto was catching up to Sasuke, it was just ONE point that I'm using to prove his faults. The main argument here is that Sasuke made the unworthy decision of abandoning NOT ONLY his village, but also his friends who fully supported him.

Here is where my major point lies and what your constantly avoiding: many other characters undergo the same trauma that he does. These people include:
Naruto - you argued that he was saved by Iruka, but wasn't Sasuke saved by Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi in the same way?
Neji - its true that his case isn't as strong, but the same underlying emotions are still there and he came out just fine.
Gaara - he's got everything Sasuke has and worse, yet he did the exact opposite and tries to save his village instead. Why?

These 3 aren't the only examples either. Including Kakashi I'm sure someone else could name at least a few more people who faced traumatic pasts and came out fine (I dunno I haven't been keeping up with it lately). Looking past the jealousy issue, there's also the fact that he's condescending, over emotional, traitorous, and just a plain jerk.

If you like him, fine, I can't tell you what characters to like. But at the very least ADMIT that you can at least see why the rest of us don't.

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I personally don't hate sasuke. But i can reason to why people would. What i can't reason to is why people kiss the ground he walks on. Naruto can be somewhat seen as a tool, but remember ultimately he decides what he wants. He decides to show mercy on enemies, he decides to try harder and to impress everyone, he paves his own road. Sure there are more people to help him than sasuke rather than use him, but ultimately naruto possesses a power he can abuse an exploit but he decides to become someone people can admire.

Sai, as you said, is a tool, literally, but it is when he gained his own will to show mercy that you can really see him starting to change, to open up. I believe sai is what the mangaka wanted to do with sasuke, show him gain more emotions and become more human, but ultimately that would ruin the sasuke plot.

Sasuke on the other hand gets the promise of power dangled in front of him, his vengeful nature exploited, and his abilities used for the profit of others. Is it for a nation? no. Is it for friends? no. Is it at least for the same person? No. He gets used by a variation of different people, tossed around until he finally wises up and gets even.

Remember, the difference between a tool and a soldier is loyalty. Sai and naruto have their loyalties prioritized, it's to their friends. Sasuke's loyalty lies in his goal, and because of this he is blind to the people who exploit it.

Now, you bring up the uchiha-girl rant. Some of the things she says is fine, and yet some of the things she says, i think she's on crack.
http://uchiha-girl.deviantart.com/art/Why-Must-Everyone-Hate-Sasuke-5705550

To begin, he's lonely, betrayed, etc.....yet he's popular and desired by all the girls. He's of the uchiha blood, so he's naturally skilled (to a degree) and he is respected if not envied by all the guys. This in itself is completely retarded! He's lonely, but he has girls dangling off of her. I don't give a damn if uchiha-girl would go crazy from being oggled by fans, but she seems to forget they give a feeling of importance. Sasuke isn't lonely because he was betrayed, sasuke is lonely because he DECIDED to be alone, that he decided to shun everyone. He is the complete opposite of naruto (which is what he was supposed to be), a person who starts with popularity and acceptance and abandons it (whereas naruto is zero to hero). In short, he was DESIGNED to be hated, and if not so strongly hated, he was designed to be the enemy, the darker path that naruto could've taken.

The portion she writes about itachi, she obviously didn't reach the part where itachi was basically redeemed. That yes, although he made the mistake of being used, he is trying to rectify it and even gave sasuke the opportunity to achieve what others will never have, his eyes (the sharingan that won't go blind), but sasuke didn't even take it. Itachi was redeemed, sasuke still hasn't been. In fact, even now that his goal has been met, he's still digging himself a grave.

Uchiha then starts listing what people dislike about him, and counter points, 1 - All the girls want him -. I am assuming uchiha-girl is a girl, and if so she probably wouldn't understand why some males envy him and in turn hate him for it, but i also know of some girls who can't stand shoujo mangas simply because the moderate or normal girl gets a harem of guys. Still, what makes my laugh the most is that she has the audacity to say "And one last thing, you do realize that you’re jealous of an anime character, right?". I mean...UCHIHA-GIRL, writing a SASUKE DEFENSE RANT, is MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE FOR BEING JEALOUS OF AN ANIME CHARACTER!?!?!? For heaven's sakes, what i should be writing in response is "you do realize you're defending and basically in love wiht an anime character, right?". But it's all right, because their situation is SUPPOSED to be enviable! Mangas, animes, and stories in general are ENVIABLE! Who doesn't want to be a hero, who doesn't want to be surrounded by girls, who doesn't want to be a no-good whimp who does nothing but has girls fall for him? It doesn't matter if it is real or fake, the situation is simply enviable!! You are simply jealous of their situation, whether it is real or not! That is one of the oohs and awes of shounen mangas, that by the end of the day, you are filled with so much awe, so much epicness that you say "i wish i was him" or "i wish i could do that".

her second point is valid. He starts off a bit strong, but ultimately they all meet their match and have to evolve. What (who) pisses me off the most, a naruto character that i can say i dislike is sakura. She's not that pretty, she's not even tsundere (she's just a fanboy, literally) and her battles always suck. As for sasuke, you don't see him train, and as a prodigy he'll be a fast learner, but he sitll works.

"3 - He doesn’t acknowledge/respect his teammates because he’s an arrogant, egotistical, asshole -". She beings by saying sasuke acknowledges everyone, just in a different way. It's true, and this different way is that naruto and sakura are not his teammates, they are his peons. It is the acknowledgement that they are a notch or two below him, an arrogant attitude that gets blown out of the water when his chidori's power is compared to naruto's ransengan on the rooftop of the hospital. This is literally the turning point where he realizes they are his equal, and it scares him and disgusts him. It is the reason why he leaves, the realization that he hasn't been improving as much as the people around him, that he isn't above the rest like he thought he was. In short, once again he was designed to be disliked, but i don't blame him, it's a plot thing.

"4 - He willingly betrayed Konoha and went with the Sound ninjas - " not much more to say. It's a plot thing. But don't defend him by saying "MY GOD PEOPLE! IS SASUKE’S LIFE NOT ANGSTY ENOUGH FOR YOU?! (I’m so close to convulsing out of anger it’s not even funny)", because it really isn't. No matter how bad his past is, a few years of not so much as seeing his brother, and surrounded by people who want his acknowledgement, it really isn't. there are plenty of people who have a worse life than his (IN REAL LIFE) that end up as better people. But like i said, it's a plot thing.

"So you see, Sasuke isn’t particularly meaning to be so hateable, he’s just living with a one-track mind. At the end of that track is one thing: Him killing Itachi and the revival of the Uchiha clan. He has no room for friends or distractions, all he wants is to get stronger (which I may add is Naruto’s goal as well.), and let’s face it people, the series wouldn’t be complete without him. He is the main antagonist after all, and if a story only had protagonists, we’d be in for one dull ride."

It's that one track mind that makes him so well hated. A person who stares at the sky will not see the flowers around him. A person who admires the flowers around him will not know the endless sky above. But sasuke, he isn't any of these. Sasuke is the tunneled-vision horse who's being led along a path, a tool who cannot see what he has, what he gets time and time again, and all for what? Ultimately nothing. He is a person who is given things time and time again just to toss them aside, a character that is MEANT to be hated (but i really don't. I can see why people do, but i think the dark tones are kinda cool) so that he can be sacrificed as a shakespearean tragic hero. Ultimately, his life, his mass hatred by the fans, and his actions are all what the author intended.

Ps. for those who don't know what makes up a shakespearean tragic hero, they are typically a person who is admirable, who falls and becomes hated, but upon his death or near his death, he redeems himself in some way. A good example is macbeth, who although his (wife's) ambition causes him to be a terrible tyrant, ultimately at the end he redeems himself a bit.

I always liked Sasuke especially when he got the cursed mark so i don't really care how they portray Sasuke as long as they dont have him wimp out any time soon.

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Personally, Sasuke didn't annoy so much as Kishimoto annoyed me with making up bullshit ways as to how he survived situations where he should have been dead...

...until he wanted to kill all of Konoha for no reason whatsoever. "I can't just kill the higher-ups that forced my brother to kill my entire clan! Oh no, I must needlessly go one step further and kill everyone else that wasn't involved in it and that didn't know a single thing behind the whole conspiracy!"

And that is why he's a dick that must be killed, no matter how many biased fanboys and fangirls say otherwise.

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Just because someone's head was chopped off doesn't mean they're dead. That's just silly.

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Lol Fuhzy you think I liked Sasuke?

ALl this time i've been just askin why u all dont

In Naruto I treat all characters equally, I dont think I hate any1

I just wanted to see this hate of fans against this character:Sasuke
its as simple as that

and if u ask me i wud partly agree wid loosecannon504
Kishimoto does seem to annoy me or is starting to

He needs to make things clear on what Sasuke wants
What is right and whats wrong
But this dosent affect me much
The only thing that would piss me off is when the main character: Naruto

is treated better than others:hes still annoying not that I dont like him; just think every character in Naruto should be respected equally
and im sure thats what Kishimoto wants us to think

Pce it was fun discussing this topic wid u all

ammm

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And that is why he's a dick that must be killed, no matter how many biased fanboys and fangirls say otherwise.

Init he won't die though because he's Kishimoto's favourite character...

Well I read that a long time ago, but I'm pretty sure he still feels that way 🤣

Which is a shame...

I hate Sasuke, because in my opinion he and Sakura ruined the manga .. Naruto trying to save Sasuke and everytime losing his control, seriously it's a ninja-village if a ninja runs you kill him/her, not try to save him from a perverse humanoid snake-being and if he's not worrying about Sasuke, he's worrying about his dear little Sakura-chan, what does he see in that bitch?

Because of those two all I can think of when I think of Naruto is a masochistic little bi ..

I FINALLY KNO WHY!!!

ok so if the manga was called sasuke and not naruto and there basically was no naruto thus making sasuke the main character and if the story line stayed the same i think ppl would love the manga and sasuke. i think it is naruto himself that actually makes us hate sasuke so much. Sasuke is the prodigy while naruto is the hard working idiot. it's kind of like sakuragi and rukawa from slam dunk. 😃 lol

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Really long post.

I pretty much agree with you. He's so much into his own goals won't even listen to those closest to him, like his brother after the whole, "I did it for Konoha." I don't much like him for that reason.

My wonder is what will become of him once he has his revenge?