im atheist. i guess because religion wasnt shoved down my throat. have my own belief but i dont want to take the time to explain it.

Im atheist

I just dont have a need for god, thats all. I have my own morals and i dont need heaven or hell because i think it would suck to live 'forever' and id rather just die and disappear. I think earth can be heaven or hell depending on what happens, anyway.

When i was younger i used to be faintly religious, but then i grew out of it. I just didnt see a reason to be religious and i was just copying everyone else. Anyway those are my 2 cents 🙂

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i don't think theres a way to prove god is there or not there so i'm neutral in the matterand don't give a fuck what either side says 🤣

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i don't think theres a way to prove god is there or not there so i'm neutral in the matterand don't give a fuck what either side says 🤣

i think that called agnosticism, meaning you dont really care about religion/ you dont believe in god but your not saying there isnt one

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Anyone who says they don't have a need for God or they have their own morals and decide whats right for themselves is sorely mistaken. I think my biggest issue with atheism is it doesn't have a standard for human behavior. Morality is deeply rooted in the laws of our society and is taken for granted by most.

By what methods are we to determine what is moral? Is it just something we feel to be wrong so it is wrong, or is it more we feel something to be acceptable therefor we believe it to be so? Some may argue that as a society we form an opinion on such matters and vote it into law, but that doesn't change the fact that we are deciding these laws with no foundation on truth. For one to believe in a moral behavior, one must believe in a standard by which you are to determine what is right or wrong. As an example of a society without a standard to determine morality, let's say the world largely believes the raping of babies is acceptable and deems it moral to do so. How is that any different from the world largely believing the raping of babies is not acceptable and is deemed immoral? This standard-less method for determining morality is what a lot of you are saying you believe in. Determining morality based on thoughtless feelings is fundamentally flawed. Morality is theistic. The raping of babies is wrong and will always be wrong, regardless of what humanity thinks. What is the standard by which we are to determine morality you ask? God founded the laws of the universe including morality, God determines the standard. All that being said, there is one problem with my argument. How do we determine which God, which standard? Welcome to theism.

atheist. easy and simple. don't need to do all that rituals and stuff.. 😃

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Christian

Anyone who says they don't have a need for God or they have their own morals and decide whats right for themselves is sorely mistaken. I think my biggest issue with atheism is it doesn't have a standard for human behavior. Morality is deeply rooted in the laws of our society and is taken for granted by most.

By what methods are we to determine what is moral? Is it just something we feel to be wrong so it is wrong, or is it more we feel something to be acceptable therefor we believe it to be so? Some may argue that as a society we form an opinion on such matters and vote it into law, but that doesn't change the fact that we are deciding these laws with no foundation on truth. For one to believe in a moral behavior, one must believe in a standard by which you are to determine what is right or wrong. As an example of a society without a standard to determine morality, let's say the world largely believes the raping of babies is acceptable and deems it moral to do so. How is that any different from the world largely believing the raping of babies is not acceptable and is deemed immoral? This standard-less method for determining morality is what a lot of you are saying you believe in. Determining morality based on thoughtless feelings is fundamentally flawed. Morality is theistic. The raping of babies is wrong and will always be wrong, regardless of what humanity thinks. What is the standard by which we are to determine morality you ask? God founded the laws of the universe including morality, God determines the standard. All that being said, there is one problem with my argument. How do we determine which God, which standard? Welcome to theism.

Only cause someone is an atheist it doesn't mean they don't have "right" moral values. I'll use myself as an example, i follow basically what a christian would and wouldn't do. i've acted based on my own thoughts and morals before even reading any parts of the bible. not many months ago i looked through one of my friends bibles, who is christian, and turns out i've been doing most "good" and "right" throughout my life without even having any knowledge and belief in God. my friend on the other hand who is christian and grew up with a christian family has broken so many of these "morals" and "laws". but my point is someone does not have to believe in God to follow Gods morals, wrongs, and rights. and i'd like to point out that most atheists use life as a standard and a base for their morals, thoughts, and beliefs.
take this from a past atheist who's biggest "wrong" in life is liking yaoi. 😀

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Anyone who says they don't have a need for God or they have their own morals and decide whats right for themselves is sorely mistaken. I think my biggest issue with atheism is it doesn't have a standard for human behavior. Morality is deeply rooted in the laws of our society and is taken for granted by most.

By what methods are we to determine what is moral? Is it just something we feel to be wrong so it is wrong, or is it more we feel something to be acceptable therefor we believe it to be so? Some may argue that as a society we form an opinion on such matters and vote it into law, but that doesn't change the fact that we are deciding these laws with no foundation on truth. For one to believe in a moral behavior, one must believe in a standard by which you are to determine what is right or wrong. As an example of a society without a standard to determine morality, let's say the world largely believes the raping of babies is acceptable and deems it moral to do so. How is that any different from the world largely believing the raping of babies is not acceptable and is deemed immoral? This standard-less method for determining morality is what a lot of you are saying you believe in. Determining morality based on thoughtless feelings is fundamentally flawed. Morality is theistic. The raping of babies is wrong and will always be wrong, regardless of what humanity thinks. What is the standard by which we are to determine morality you ask? God founded the laws of the universe including morality, God determines the standard. All that being said, there is one problem with my argument. How do we determine which God, which standard? Welcome to theism.

Humans can come up with morals without religion. Most Christians don't actually use their religion for a moral compass anyway.

Have you actually read the bible? The thought of someone with any amount of influence using that as the sole basis for their morality is frankly terrifying

"It is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

Richard Dawkins - 'nuff said ;p
and Morality without God

Atheist 😀

Regarding the matter, I think what mattai said is fairly accurate. I was raised in a Catholic home, and I know, that every Christian has his own set of rules, which is not always compatible with what the bible says.
And question for any Christian: How many commandments God left to Moses?
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Richard Dawkins - 'nuff said ;p
and Morality without God

Richard Dawkins isn't a very good source for atheist arguments. That video dodges the question go back and watch it, he never answers it, just starts quoting the bible.

If you want a much better argument than mine on morality watch this video. It's really well structured and feel free to watch as many arguments against it as you want, but I feel they all fall short of refutation. Don't get all perturbed because he starts out talking about being a Christian, it's not going to be about Christianity.

Moral Relativism

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Richard Dawkins - 'nuff said ;p
and Morality without God

Richard Dawkins isn't a very good source for atheist arguments. That video dodges the question go back and watch it, he never answers it, just starts quoting the bible.

If you want a much better argument than mine on morality watch this video. It's really well structured and feel free to watch as many arguments against it as you want, but I feel they all fall short of refutation. Don't get all perturbed because he starts out talking about being a Christian, it's not going to be about Christianity.

Moral Relativism

There's not even a shred of value in the argument that humans need God to give them morality. Even if you don't like Dawkins, philosophers have being offering perfectly valid, religion-independent bases for a moral and ethical code since long before a couple of Romans popularised a previously obscure Jewish cult.

I used to be Traditional Native American used to go to Sundances, sweats, pow wows, animal lodges healing ceremonies but I'm Atheist though I don't believe in god never really have guys like Dawkins, Bill Maher, George Carlin, Stewart, Colbert, Hitchens and many others like these guys gave me insight that it's all right being Atheist plus having died for a few moments in life helps a hell of a lot too.
I like the Native way and Buddhism most other religions I don't trust anymore then I could throw a 500lb man. Best argument I've ever heard was you show me proof god exists then I'll show you a pink unicorn

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Richard Dawkins - 'nuff said ;p
and Morality without God

Richard Dawkins isn't a very good source for atheist arguments. That video dodges the question go back and watch it, he never answers it, just starts quoting the bible.

If you want a much better argument than mine on morality watch this video. It's really well structured and feel free to watch as many arguments against it as you want, but I feel they all fall short of refutation. Don't get all perturbed because he starts out talking about being a Christian, it's not going to be about Christianity.

Moral Relativism

Try reading "Moral Landscape" of Sam Harris where he shows that there can be an objective answer to moral dillemas.
Also, considering Christianity - i'm not against Jesus's teachings (maybe besides his view on family matters) but i'm not so sure about this whole morality+God package.
I think every human has his own morality, but as Sam Harris said
If we consider morality as notion of maximasing well-being we can actualy get some objective results out of moral dillemas.

For example: Do you think that forcing young women to wear burkas is a right thing to do?
When you consider this as relative, you might think, that its cultural thing and its normal for them to do so. Our evaluation of this situacion , by the relativists laws, is considered culture biased.

But if we look at it, from the perspective of maximising well-being we can tell, that its definitely wrong. Will forcing women to wear burkas give them a better self-evaluation? Better relationship with her father or brother?
We can objectively state that organising a society this way would not maximise the well-being of people.

Sorry, I kind of went off the topic, but i think that Sam Harris's idea is at least worth mentioning.

Considering the "Morality without God" video, it was only there to show, that Christians don't rely on bible (at least not the old testament) in search for their own morals.
I used quote from Dawkins "God delusion" becouse I thought it was an accurate illustration of the point I was trying to make.

Trey21 - I'm on the Flying Spaghetti Monster side ;D
Well, Atheism is just about rejection of belief in Supernatural, without solid evidence.

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In the end everything boils down to opinion. There is God and religion for people who believe in it and there is no God or religion for people who doesn't believe in it. Though there's no difference 😀 . Well for me i rather waste my time or money for what i want instead of wasting them on God or devotion or religion. Donation would be good 🙂
And beside, God or religion is nothing but a teaching and symbol. Something that defines what is good and what is bad. Because if a person say This is Good and That is Bad then another person also has the right to say This is Bad and That is Good and cause chaos and disorder. So in the end, they decided that humanity need something above Human to keep people in check i suppose. So there is no supernatural involve. Just symbolic. Of course this is just my opinion 😀 .

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And beside, God or religion is nothing but a teaching and symbol. Something that defines what is good and what is bad. Because if a person say This is Good and That is Bad then another person also has the right to say This is Bad and That is Good and cause chaos and disorder. So in the end, they decided that humanity need something above Human to keep people in check i suppose. So there is no supernatural involve. Just symbolic. Of course this is just my opinion 😀 .

Of course, our sense of morality is based on our upbringing, emotions and common sense, so its subjective. Though, I think, people are moral in nature (ah, evolution) and they can pretty much agree on most of moral statements. And as long as they consider the good of others as important they would agree on all of them. Here I would disagree with you. Defining symbol as "God" with its static morals can only bring quarrels and missunderstandings. Humanity is changing, and morality changes too.
I don't think we need a symbol. We can decide what's moral, and what's not, and be accurate at that.

By the way, if anyone know any good book concerning morality, I would appreciate if he could share the title with me.

Thanks in advance

Sorry for my English - again 🤢