One of the first series to have a volume deemed "harmful" under Tokyo's Bill 156.

How is it harmful? How is it worse then any other borderline-H?

was more a statement of how the bill can be a nuisance if nothing else.
why are some books banned in some locations, its just because Bill makers aren't all knowing.
Its part of the arguement against giving them nanny state powers. Even if they DID mean well, it backfires due to poor information flow.

Referring to the bill. The BILL says it's harmful. You know, this thing.

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How is it harmful? Its not a lolicon manga and not any worse than most hentai and adult manga as sex between charaters is mutual unlike most hentai and adult manga.

The idea is that it contains content that's essentially at the same level as an 18+ work, but it's not sold as one, and thus won't be allowed to..

If it had an 18+ label to begin with (which, to be fair, the magazine it's serialized in probably should- most of it seems to be even labeled as hentai over seinen on this site, which is a pretty clear indicator) this would be a non-issue.

As to whether it's better or worse than similar titles, that's decided by an Amakudari committee. What that basically means is that politicians or high-level bureaucrats retire from their actual job and essentially get paid to sit in a cushy chair and make 2-3 decisions over the next five years before they actually retire. I'm exaggerating a bit, but that's the gist of it.

What they're doing here is basically selecting an example at random to say "bad publishing companies, don't do this" without actually having to do the work of going through every single piece and selecting appropriate titles. Which is what I've been saying from the beginning. Look for one big thing to be hit in the coming months, then virtually nothing for long stretches of time. The way this bill has been designed it's nearly symbolic.

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restrict any manga, anime and video games (but not live photography works) that feature any sexual acts that would violate criminal codes or Tokyo ordinances OR sexual depictions between close relatives who could not legally get married to be treated as adult material IF they are presented in “unjustifiably glorified or exaggerated manner.” from the Tokyo Bill 156

Basically what Crenshinibon said, and also the fact that the characters are cousins, so that counts as close relatives and different from other hentai mangas with non-relative characters.

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restrict any manga, anime and video games (but not live photography works) that feature any sexual acts that would violate criminal codes or Tokyo ordinances OR sexual depictions between close relatives who could not legally get married to be treated as adult material IF they are presented in “unjustifiably glorified or exaggerated manner.” from the Tokyo Bill 156

The main thing is that the characters are cousins, so that counts as close relatives and different from other hentai mangas with non-relative characters.

Actually I think it's still legal for cousins to marry in Tokyo, the "close-relatives" thing is about more direct forms of incest... it's related to the whole Meiji-era "Japanese purity" eugenics thing. Though it is rather uncommon, so perhaps that could potentially have been a point of contention, I just don't find that rationale very likely.

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It is legal. What odd is they even allow cousins whose fathers are own brothers marry this is shown in the manga/anime Kaze no Stigma, In other countries for cousins to marry one parent can can be the sibling of the other cousin's parent of the oppsite sex. So in other words mother of one cousin can be the sibling of the other cousin's father but it can't be both mothers are siblings or both fathers are siblings.

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It is legal. What odd is they even allow cousins whose fathers are own brothers marry this is shown in the manga/anime Kaze no Stigma, In other countries for cousins to marry one parent can can be the sibling of the other cousin's parent of the oppsite sex. So in other words mother of one cousin can be the sibling of the other cousin's father but it can't be both mothers are siblings or both fathers are siblings.

Like I said, it's about weird (and ironically ineffective) eugenics rather than the traditional family dynamics. It's true that cross cousins have always been favored over parallel, but the latter often isn't stigmatized against as incest, though it does happen in some societies. In Japan it has pretty much always been acceptable.

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From my understanding it is only cosidered as incest if it is between inner family which siblings, parents, step parents, and also grand parents. Step parents becuse eventhough they are not blood related to the children they shouldn't be doing it in the first place as they should be just like their real parents. Grandparents doing sexual things with the children is incest because the children will have either all or most of the grandparents genetic makeup. For siblings all the genetic makeup will match up even the unwanted defective traits which will result in a very high probability of screwed up offspring. Parents and children probablity also just as high but unsure which is higher but according the the father daughter incest case out of 7 children they had only 2 were normal.

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From my understanding it is only cosidered as incest if it is between inner family which siblings, parents, step parents, and also grand parents. Step parents becuse eventhough they are blood related to the children they shouldn't be doing it in the first place as they should be just like their real parents. Grandparents doing sexual things with the children is incest because the children will have either all or most of the grandparents genetic makeup. For siblings all the genetic makeup will match up even the unwanted defective traits which will result in a very high probability of screwed up offspring. Parents and children probablity also just as high but unsure which is higher but according the the father daughter incest case out of 7 children they had only 2 were normal.

You're correct from a scientific standpoint, but we're talking anthropology here. The whole "no parallel cousins marrying" thing comes out of paternal family lines. I.e. two brothers are part of the same paternal family and their children will also be a part of that family, so it's 'incest' because it remains within the same family line. A sister will marry into another family, and her offspring will be part of that paternal line instead. Cross cousins mix two family lines, even if there's not much genetic difference, while parallel cousins stay entirely within the same family.

That's the reason some societies are against it, but from a genetic standpoint they may as well be the same thing.

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Not exactly because there are certain traits that only by females while other certain traits are only carried by males of the family.

to get back on topic
[since cousins being incest is just silly]

one of the things they had an issue with is depicting sex in a school environment
and if memory serves this is exactly what they are doing in this manga...fuck in shcool

thats probably the only reason why this manga was targeted

reason
well
its not that nice having children fuck in every corner of a school
so
dont promoto this kind of behaviour
ban the manga
end of story

of course in the real world kids have sex in school...allways have allways will
humans like sex
but that does not mean that we should glorify it in comic books

to be fair
no other country in the world would allow such a silly story to ever be published
its kind of nice to see that atleast some ppl in japan actually care what sort of garbage they put on print
[even if i dont really like bans...human morale should have stopped this comic to begin with....but that is nonexistant in far to many places in japan...money talks]

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to get back on topic
[since cousins being incest is just silly]

one of the things they had an issue with is depicting sex in a school environment
and if memory serves this is exactly what they are doing in this manga...fuck in shcool

thats probably the only reason why this manga was targeted

reason
well
its not that nice having children fuck in every corner of a school
so
dont promoto this kind of behaviour
ban the manga
end of story

of course in the real world kids have sex in school...allways have allways will
humans like sex
but that does not mean that we should glorify it in comic books

to be fair
no other country in the world would allow such a silly story to ever be published
its kind of nice to see that atleast some ppl in japan actually care what sort of garbage they put on print
[even if i dont really like bans...human morale should have stopped this comic to begin with....but that is nonexistant in far to many places in japan...money talks]

............ spike tv broadcasted a show called striperella on national tv, I doubt we have moral highground here in the us >_> and I doubt canada/europe can say much better. Also even in the odd event that you do happen to have moral highground, I find people who get their kicks though borderline hentai to be far superior to judgemental pricks griping about whether or not someone has the right to give us a choice to read a manga because its common knowledge that we should all bow down and accept what others consider to be correct... if you don't want to read don't, that's all there is to it.

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Comedy:
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Romance:
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Most under rated:
Kindan no koi de ikou, kyou kara ore wa!.
m0r l83r... maybe >_>

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of course in the real world kids have sex in school...allways have allways will
humans like sex
but that does not mean that we should glorify it in comic books

to be fair
no other country in the world would allow such a silly story to ever be published
its kind of nice to see that atleast some ppl in japan actually care what sort of garbage they put on print
[even if i dont really like bans...human morale should have stopped this comic to begin with....but that is nonexistant in far to many places in japan...money talks]

Different folks, different strokes.

As much as I am against premarital / high-school sex in real life, what happens in fiction and fantasy is none of my concern. That's what my "human morale" (LOL) tells me.

You're not being "fair" by saying a statement like that unless you have deep knowledge of how every country in the world works (which I doubt very much). You're being an over-generalizing biased bastard.

Money talks in the majority of the world - in more places than there are in Japan. Don't be naive.

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