you could always check here mangacast mag list

but nice work

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it's nice to know that there are other lists as well, there are tons of such lists all over the internet. This list is MU oriented, so only magazines listed on MU are included, other lists may by accurate (or not so accurate) but they don't include many magazines listed on MU.

Instead of having the updater A checking a list that has a magazine categorized in one way and the updater B checking a different list that has the same magazine categorized in a different way and thous having an endless circle of editing and misconceptions, why not to use this one list that is specifically tailored for MU and if some conflict in labeling occur, just point them out and they will be resolved? That's the general idea of this list.

At any rate:

UPDATED: added Omoshiro Book & Shounen Book in SHOUNEN Category.

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Excellent work.

I hope people will actually bother to look instead of continually cluttering the database with incorrect labels.

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Interesting idea. I'd vouch for it.

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Since I'm on a roll with the those, I might present the now defunct Young Sunday as a recent example of this. Most of the somewhat decent stuff that was in it has found its way into Big Comic Spirits (the godawful Beach Stars doesn't look to be among them, thankfully).
Which seems logical, YS always felt like it was somewhere halfway between shounen and seinen, and wikipedia claims that it, in turn, took over many series from a mag called Shounen Big Comic.

Oh, and good job on the lists. I fear they'll go unused by the people who most need them, though.

Probably true, but those usually don't pay attention to any guidelines anyways, plus I'm of the opinion "If you build it, they will come", whoever "they" may be.


As for Shounen Big Comic, take it with grain of salt, but essentially it ended up being seinen (never mind the shounen part) as it aimed at audience older than that of the Shounen Sunday. Well, technically it's more 17-20 yo oriented, which is the gray zone, meaning some will put it in shounen, other will put it in seinen category. Most will probably put it in shounen when they see "shounen" in the name. And exactly because of that, when Shounen Big Comic was found to be 17-20+ oriented by a survey, the magazine was renamed into Young Sunday and the issue numbering was reset. It's troublesome because while we have the generally accepted terms shoujo/shounen/seinen/josei/ we don't have terms for things that fall in between. Some distributors have them, other just decide to go one way or another.

Interesting.

It's also interesting how "Young" in a mag name usually means it's seinen. That's not really logical to me, but I suppose there are reasons for it, the same as there are reasons for all the borrowed English they have that means something other than we would expect.

And an interesting aspect of those "young seinen" mags is the pictures of swimsuit models they always have. I mean, for something that costs < ~300, and is printed on basically toilet paper, they must be burning a lot of the budget on those full colour prints, when they could put the money towards better paper and print for the rest of the mag. Seems like a complete waste to me, but, this being Japan, the fact that they're there means the readers want them to be there.

Ah, our eastern friends can be so hard to understand sometimes... (which is at least half the fun, of course)

Pretty much yes, on the other hand I find this "toilet" paper tactic pretty fascinating, since it's one of the major reasons the manga industry is as big as it is today.



UPDATED: Added BART3230 in SEINEN Category

A little comment, I think Melody should be under shoujo-josei list. Many manga in Melody don't have furigana, so I think it's for older female.

Ah, yes, actually, I was tempted to put it in josei category altogether and the more I look at it the more I think it should be a josei. The 2 volumes of Oooku and the Ohikkoshi volume, that I have, had furigana all over them. I think it was Ohikoshi that made me put it in shoujo in the end, because Oooku even though it won a shoujo award is generally accepted as josei, that and the fact that it was derived from LaLa. Now I'm mostly wondering whenever the audience is more or less equally spread to qualify it as josei+shoujo or just josei. Do you know which titles have no furigana?

btw, I'm very happy hearing suggestion like that, this is what this thread is for after all, so don't hesitate.

edit: on another note, I'm also starting to think that breaking the demographics even further is for the better after all, it would give better view on the age of the audience and will sort out some ambiguities.

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Takahashi Shin's Tom Saywer ran in Melody, for instance. With no furigana and a definite josei feel to it, at least.

On the other hand, there's stuff like GHOST ONLY, which both has furigana and feels shoujo.
Or Otogi Moyouaya Nishiki, which has furigana but feels josei.

Sooo, I think it could really go either way, for that one. I would say josei, just based on the few series from it I've seen, but that might change if I actually picked up a copy right now.

OK, I've arrange the Shoujo and Josei sections by age, tell me whenever it's better this way or more confusing, if it's better then I'll modify the other sections as well. I also moved Melody to the Josei side of the "gray zone". (range late teens, early 20ies)

I think it's better, especially since you've included explanatory notes. Though, I suspect you've opened a Pandora's box of complaints about what age bracket exactly the manga belongs in. But still, keep it up.

I thought about it too that's why i used vague terms.The age factor of a magazine is somewhat fluid and that's why i repeatedly noted that it's a subjective matter, especially with magazines that run for more than one decade.

The notes where always there, i just add couple more, I'm hesitant adding more notes as it will make it difficult to view the titles of the magazines, which is more important right now. I've only added notes if I noticed the magazine being under different names on MU (which it shouldn't, but that's another issue altogether) or wanted to prevent some objections.

For example: Beans Ace was an extra of a shounen magazine Monthly Shounen A for an issue (or two) and then become extra number of Asuka so on right now it considered to be shoujo magazine. I'm not aware what happened to the titles that run in the shounen issue of Beans Ace and even if there was a title that started in that particular time frame.(if anyone knows do tell).

Another example is Comic Zero-Sum when it first started it was advertised as shoujo, but after an age poll, Ichijinsha concluded that way too many readers (over 60%) are actually age 20+ so now it's advertised as josei.

And then there is Kurofune Zero a very new magazine. Libre just decided to start publishing magazines other than BL. It suppose to be for girls (shoujo), but many authors that write in it are from BL backgrounds and already have fans there, so only time will show where this magazine slide on the age scale.

Same with the Comic Blade Brownie another newish magazine that claims to be both for boys and girls, this was attempted before and failed, so again only time will show if it will remain as such.

Or, for instance, some may say that many titles in GFantasy magazine feel shoujo-ish, but that's only because most (if not all) writers of that magazine are females, since the concept of this magazine is "female authors write fantasy stories for boys"

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UPDATED 30/01/09: added "Gothic & Lolita Bible" in OTHER:NONE category, "Monthly Jidaigeki Jin" in SEINEN category

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UPDATED 31/01/09: added "Jour Suteki na Shufutachi", "Feeling Happy", "Roma Roma" in JOSEI category

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UPDATED 02/02/09: added "Monthly Kadokawa", "Comic Genki" in OTHER:NONE category, "Comic Kwai" in OTHER:ALL category


Last edited by candyloop at 2:58 am, Feb 2 2009

Kodomo magazines exist too, I believe. One of them being CoroCoro and (I'll have to double check this) GanGan.